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My High Elves will be facing 1 large block of orcs with two weapons and 1 large block with shields. These will be baked up by wolf riders and boarboyz; possibly a rock lobba if points allow. He dislikes magic but does use magic banners and weapons; he seldom fields a caster, if he does its for dispells.
So that being said I'd like suggestions for a 1000 point army though I suspect he'll want to play in the 750 point area most of the time.
Well at least 1 RBT is a must. Perhaps a commander on an Eagle with the Reaver bow would be nice too. Try to outmagic him and shoot him before he gets to you, hopefully your melee units will be able to win combat.
get to level two mages kitted out, this will hurt him bad
in 1000 and unde ri would rather take wo eagles then RBT's
the eagle swill be good for attacking hit lobber and marchblocking, maybe even killing that one magic user of him.
furthermore, get some silverhelms to outpase his boarboyz then get swordmaster, they will cut through his infantry with easy (personel experience)
hope it helps
"Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers; all of which are true and terrifying to know"
Yes the RBT really isn't anything special against T4 orcs, although it might be useful against the wolf riders. But then again there's always something to shoot at with an RBT^_^
Two level two mages should be fun, i'd take lore of fire for yer basic zap
Eagles are also a good idea, with no real shooty (from what you say) from his side they should have no trouble at all zipping behind his lines to slow him right down. I would take a unit of swordmasters and spearmen. Make em nice and big so you can be sure of that CR (i.e. Don't mess around with units of 12 or whatever)
If you can squeeze in a chariot then that'll be fun also(Y)
Nothing quite like Black Orcs fresh outta the oven. mmm, yummy!Originally Posted by Rhianedd
SO actual useful advice (as opposed to spelling snobbery):
You sound like you are going to play lots of games against this guy. So mages will win for you once in a while, but he'll figure out dispel scrolls and shiney baubles REAL quick. and orc magic hurts elves too, they get lots of S4 spells against our T3, so magic won't win out forever. Also, he gets banners that I hate. Specifically, extra charge distance, or extra attacks on the charge. Both of these will mess you up, cause you don't expect orcs to outcharge you, and the other just destroys elf defense. If he starts using Boarboy big'uns w/ magic banner, watch out as they can outcharge elf Cav! grr... If he fields more stone throwers, and if he is accurate, they can be a real bear. Field some shadow warriors to kill them.
That being said I think you should go all cav, with eagles, and the reaver bow. S5 WILL hurt orcs, and doesn't require leaving an expensive bolt thrower somewhere to be sacked. Field unit champions and lightly equipped combat characters, you won't win challenges, but you might keep his characters from killing yours. Shoot and magic the wolf riders, then outcharge the boar riders.
Then you can eat up the black orcs at your leisure. (is he using a special army? I thought black orcs were 0-1 in basic O&G. and I thought wolf riders where disallowed in the SoC list. IMO the orc special armies are dramatically unbalanced, with the possible exception of SoC, I'd be reluctant to play one.) Or did you mean 1 black orcs and 1 normal orcs with shields?
Hope this helps.
Last edited by kooshlord; August 9th, 2006 at 16:37.
Good ideas all, thanks. Yes, I'll be playing him more than anyone else. It should prove interesting, unlike some he learns from his mistakes. He is actually thinking about not fielding any Black Orcs and as few goblins as he can.
Last edited by Rhianedd; August 9th, 2006 at 21:53.
NO orc army without Gobbos and not Grimgor's 'Ardboys? LOL Easy win for you. He can't swarm you, your infantry are almost superior to his in every way, you can magic him to death, you can freaking shoot him to death... Not as effective but you could.He has no gobbos to swarm you, no fanatics to worry about, then they have to take Animosity... We'll just say without goblins, it drastically increases ur chances of winning.
He'll still outnumber you massively though. Remember yer basic orc is the same amount of points as a clanrat!
He'll have at least 2 orcs per elf. so he can swarm you. Your infantry are superior except for S (choppas, Biguns), and T. He still hasn't ruled out savage orcs. Savage orc spearmen are cheaper than elf spearmen, end up with more attacks (20 for 2 ranks of 5), are immune to panic through frenzy (no magic or shooting panics). if they are big'uns it means 20 S4 attacks. These rip elves up like nobody's business.Originally Posted by ScioN of KingS
No black orc units is nice, and even nicer if there are no black orc characters. But he still only fails 1 in 6 animosity tests. If he is a clever opponent, he'll deploy so as not to hurt himself with animosity too badly. And sometimes failed animosity results in bonus movement for him (1/36).
And, if he stops taking black orcs, you can beat he'll find some other gimmick to play with. Gimmickery is practically the name of the orc army.
So basically, don't get cocky just because there aren't black orcs or goblins. You can certainly win, and the lack of fanatics is nice, but there are definately other threats.
I'd much rather worry about 100+ units of Gobbos with fanatics then say 20 Units of Reg Orcs... wouldn't you?