Another help vs thread!

[King_Nerd]

Hi,

Please can you give me some ideas as to how to deal with Skaven.

I got my arse handed to me on a plate when I played them yesterday.

I was out numbered about 3-1 and could not win any combats due to his unit sizes.

Also his S3 T3 stuff is about 1/3 of my point cost and all I get is a bit of a WS and I boost.

help!

[haydn]

Bolt thowers shooting multiple rounds would be a very smart idea if you havent already tried it.

[King_Nerd]

Hi, I had 2 RBT's and 2 x 10 Archers and caused zero panic checks due to the size of his units even 12 shots hitting on 3's and killing on 3's from the RBT's only equals about 5 or 6 deaths out of a unit whose size is 30+.

I could have lost my eagles and gone for 4 RBT's but the rats would be on my lines quicker!

[Sylvester]

2 good tactics are

Honestly RTB's are only good for jezzails and stuff.

1) Flames of the phoenix (and hunt engineers with eagles to reduce dispelling power).

2) charge with a big block of spearmen and 2 or 3 chariots. That will break him.

Chariots is the only way you can take him on. You need to break on the charge. I suggest 4 chariots since you usually lose 1 or 2 to shooting.

[The Loki]

Well if he is using such big blocks i think its safe to assume its a skink heavy army.

2 RBT is a good start for the multiple shot.

Against poison anything with a higher T becomes moot so its not that bad that your only T3.
on that point i disagree with the chariots since you can poison them now.


With the number of lightly armored T3 models your fighting you should go with volume of Shots/Attacks while trying to keep a decent save. WIth all that Poison your going to have to make alot of extra armorsaves.

Take all this with a grain of salt since ive not yet faced Lizardmen so this is all theory

[buckero0]

shooting will never get you anywhere with the high elves. There are too many dice rolls and none of them are in your favor. If you are lucky, you have maybe 80-90 models. A skaven army can have over 300. Because of the numbers, Skaven leadership is actually comparable to High Elves, if not better in some instances.
The only way I can see you getting out of a Skaven Horde with a win is by overpowering and dominating the magic phase. You need an Archmage with the Staff of +1 to cast and 1 or 2 lvl2 mages and the banner of sorcery. There are several spells (higher point cost, so greater risk of miscasting) that will do serious damage to large groups of troops. The Flames of the Phoenix is great. Anything with 2d6 str 3 or 4 gives you a chance of wounding quite a few rats at once. There are even some bound spells you can get. Find out if he has some magic resistance units and target the other units. Target the artillary first if you can.

[Stonehambey]

Originally Posted by The Loki

Well if he is using such big blocks i think its safe to assume its a skink heavy army.

2 RBT is a good start for the multiple shot.

Against poison anything with a higher T becomes moot so its not that bad that your only T3.
on that point i disagree with the chariots since you can poison them now.


With the number of lightly armored T3 models your fighting you should go with volume of Shots/Attacks while trying to keep a decent save. WIth all that Poison your going to have to make alot of extra armorsaves.

Take all this with a grain of salt since ive not yet faced Lizardmen so this is all theory

What on earth are you talking about? This is a vs. Skaven thread:tongue:

It seems like the answer to everything is RBTs according to some, but that is simply not the case. It's like Sylvester said, you need to pick your targets with them otherwise they're gonna kill a max of 6 skaven per turn. That's like, pfft, 30 points?

Honestly I believe that the HE have better rare choices open to them for fighting the Skaven.

I once had fun against a Skaven army with Book of Hoeth and flames of the Phoenix. I lost the game if I remember correctly, but it still did a lot of damage. My mistakes were elsewhere

Ciao

Stonehambey

[King_Nerd]

Just as I thought, I had a magic medium army (2x lv2's+ silver wand, jewel of dusk and both rings + prince with gem of heoth) and it was not enough. Magic heavy it is but the miscast can be brutal!

Thanks guys