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hi this is my first post on this forum:w00t:
I have a little question (sorry for my english spelling i am from quebec). In the newest warahmmer FB edition, we need to ben 5 to form a ranks, so enemy front got larger than the mine!( i usually put 4 rank of 5 spearmen) now i am thinking to put 3 ranks of 7 spearmen to maximise my attack but i got 1 rank less... the question seem hard to me so i need you support! what shall I do?
7 by 3 seems good defensively as all 21 models will be in a position to attack.
The downside is the loss of a rank and a slight loss of manouvrability. Just have to weigh up the pros and cons to suit your fighting style I guess^_^
Sounds tacticly sound on paper. HE spears fight in 3 ranks so you are deffintly maximizing attacks. All in all i say good call.
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I don't think 7x3 is a good idea. The unit won't be able to turn well, opening it to flank attacks, where the spears' special ability won't do you any good. If your opponents are aware of this, the unit will be very easy to avoid. It will also prevent the unit from charging. I think it would be better to simply expand the frontage once you win a round of combat.
For whatever that's worth,
Bad Hat Harry
you will find with 7th edition, that many more armies will go to a 6-7 wide approach to get an extra attack in. Especially with cheaper troops (we'll see what happens to HE in Nov-Dec) but with out fight in 3 ranks, I m not sure that paying the extra 33-66 or 44-77 points for the extra 3-4 attacks is worth it. It depends on who you are fighting, but 5-6 wide is probably the widest I will go. My problem is these are only S3 attacks, so I would rather spend the points elswhere. I run my swordmasters 6 wide sometimes, but their WS and S are quite a bit higher than the spearmen and only the front rank fights.
You'll have to experiment. Like I said, it depends on the opponent. If you are playing O&G, then 15 spearmen is probably all you'll need. You should get a couple of extra wounds in there to counter his extra rank and you will need the other points for more troops since he will outnumber your 3to1.
I tryed las sunday and it work well against balanced troops like human, goblin , undead ect... but vs shock troops, ouch, they do to much damage and I only have 2 ranks bonus and he got 3 + his horrible wound bonus (like 6...) heavely toughness troops do not fit definitively whit this rank method. perhaps you can give me some triks:yes:
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I use 6x3 Myself. All 18 can hit vs any size base if they line up model to model across the whole line. Doesn't restrict movement as much as 7x3 and is a little cheaper.
Sorry, I've been over on B&C working on my marines
I think you need to go to the heart of the problem. Elven spears are very good on the defensive, when they actually get all three ranks, but defending normally means that you are going to be fighting them on their terms- fank charges and so forth. My advise would be to stay at only 6 wide and maybe 3 or 4 deep.
The real problem is that for their cost, Elf spearmen are really not very good. They can hold an enemy unit for two or three turns, but they can't 'beat' that enemy. So I'd say, conserve your points and go 6X3 or 5X4, and then get your hands on some Silver Helms to hit your enemy in the flank. A good flank charge negates ranks, gives a bonus in Cr, and usually causes maximum damage for minimum losses. Plus that mandatory panic check for getting hit in the blindspot. Use your spears as bait or a defensive line, then use cavalry to swing around the flanks.
I agree with CaptainSarathai, HE spearmen are rubbish, stick with CR instead and point conservation instead of extra attacks, remember the more frontage you have, the more attacks the enemy can get as well!
There is no panic check for being hit in the flank for units engaged in CC. Engaged units are immune to psycology in 7th ed.
I´m consindering running larger spearblocks, 7 wide, with full ranks. Problem is the pointcost. Likely the points for a basic spearelf will drop when the new book comes out though.