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Hi everybody! As my post count implies, I'm a 40k noob, just started a couple weeks ago. I decided to go necron because in $$ cost they seemed to be the least expensive, but obviously more corners can be cut, since as we all know these things, while awesome, aren't cheap. So, I wanted to ask a couple questions about conversions:
First and foremost, are they legally playable? Are there special rules I should know about when creating (aside, obviously, from my opponent not minding). I'm only going to use Citadel pieces (my planned bits are pieces of tyranids from the macragge box)
Second, can rules be lightly bent in the name of conversion? I've seen a LOT of warriors on jetbikes (eldar I imagine) meant to be destroyers. Not a conversion I plan to do yet, but I'd like to know if its allowed.
Anyway, these are the conversions I plan to do (assuming, I can actually use em)
1. Warrior to flayed one- Basically I'm going to take the genestealer arms, possibly sharpen to points with a modeling knife, and glue on small pieces of leather to act as the flayed one skin. If that gets to be too messy, I'll just glue on the arms and call it a flayer and use it with the same rules lol.
2. Warrior to lord- I bought a destroyer lord as my HQ, and I noticed that I had the bits to make the top half of a Lord. So, I plan on taking the legs of a warrior and glueing on. I've seen a lot of converts done like that, so I imagine this one is the most legal of all. I'm certain I can find a piece of cloth somewhere to cut and make his cloak for veil of darkness.
3. Battered warrior- as that would leave me with a warrior with no legs, I plan on cutting off pieces of sprue and cutting at them slightly, to look like they were broken in half. I then plan on proceeding to glue the bugger to the platform, as there's no way he's going to be able to stand. Might possibly glue his non-gun arm too to make it look like he's crawling or trying to get back up. May do that to a few of em just to add some variety to the army.
4. Warrior to immortal- Not too sure on how to do this one. I've read something about making the gun double barreled and adding putty to make shoulder pads, but the gun part seems odd (read about it somewhere here too, and now I can't find the post). Any advice would be most appreciated. Might also tinker with marine pieces to make shoulders and guns.
Again, thoughts suggestions and being enlightened if I can or can't do this would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Hey, zaku; welcome to an interesting and potentially rewarding hobby!
To answer your questions together, yes conversions are completely playable. It's my favorite part of the hobby, because I can then make the models truly my own work and personalize an army to an appearance that I like. There are no hard-and-fast rules to conversions, but there are a few important points to keep in mind.
First and foremost, the WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rule still applies. If a model's ruless say that it has a particular ability or piece of equipment, then that should be included on the model in some fashion. To use an example you've stated, Necron Destroyers rules allow them to move as Jetbikes, so modelling them as Necron Warriors riding Jetbikes would still appear to use the same rules. This rule is mostly there for easy reference while you're playing a game; if you have a model on the field wielding a pistol and claim that he actually represents a missile launcher, that could become misleading to your opponent and cause them to change their strategy. Honesty is being stressed.
Also, if you plan on attending official GW events, then all of the parts in the models need to come from other GW products (except Lord of the Rings models), or be scratch-built by you. If you only ever plan on playing friendly games, then just use whatever you want and go crazy!
Then, comments on your conversion ideas:
1. - This may look a little funny, with the combination of organic and mechanical parts. But, if you like the look, I can't stop you.
2. - Simple, yet effective. You could probably also get away with using the Warrior's torso, since it might fit a little better.
3. - I've seen someone else do exactly this; he split a couple Warriors in two, so one was a crawling torso and the other was a set of walking legs. Firstly, this represented the "We'll Be Back" rule for the Warriors, and secondly, he used them to mark the boundaries between two squads of Warriors, since they all looked so very much alike.
4. - I haven't heard of this one, but it sounds very plausible.
There was also a recent White Dwarf magazine (#316 US, I think) that had Necron conversions in it. They did things like shoulder-mount the Gauss Flayers and re-pose the basic Warrior; check it out, if you can find it.
Enjoy your new hobby!8Y
I build, I convert, I sometimes paint, and once in a while, if I'm really lucky, I might even play.
Thanks! That explains a lot. I love the flayed one design, but for now, while my army is still (barely) 1000 points, this'll be helpful in fielding H2H troops. Yea, the genestealer arms on a warrior might look odd, but I figure Genestealers Arms x 6 pairs at 0 dollars (already bought macragge) + box o warriors (technically 15, as the other 6 warriors will still be normal warriors) is a lot more cost efficient than 3 blisters of flayed ones at 36 dollars- plus they look somewhat original, which is a rarity in a necron army, as I've already learned. Might even cut the gene arms in half, letting me make a full flayed one team (as they cap at 10 i think). Still, some originality and its not so bad... now to get a box of jetbikes and use them as heavy destroyers lol (already got 3 regular ones so I figure mixing would be confusing).
Welcome to 40k, and welcome to the forums!
I'm not a huge expert on the game or the hobby either, but I've nearly finished my first necron army (1,000 points), so from one metal-head to another.
As has been said, you have to make sure that what you see is what you get in tournaments. Conversions are perfectly legal (and even encouraged!) so long as you can still tell what the model is/carries, and so long as it's not made outta non-GW parts.
For flayed ones/immortals: I've read here and on other forums about the "warrior box conversion" trick, that will overall save you some money and give you some good units. Typically, you buy a warrior box and six pairs of flayed one claws (which you can bits order from GW), and chop the hands (and guns) off six warriors. Replace with the claws, and voila, flayed ones! Some really thin strips of greenstuff will enhance the effect, but the claws are most important. Since you have genestealer claws, you should be all set. You could even use greenstuff to enhance them, possibly.
Then, to do the immortals, take the other six warriors, and the six guns you took from the first group of warriors, and combine them to make "double barreled" gauss flayers (which are essentially what gauss blasters are). To make them look more "immortally," you can use greenstuff to beef up the legs and shoulder pads. If you really wanna go nuts, get some larger spines (you can bits order these) and put them on their backs.
Hope that helps.
Awesome! Thanks for the help. That'll save me a fortune in making immortals (waaaayyy too overpriced imo, even by GW standards...yes I've learned that too lol). Only catch is at the place I play the manager has a WYSIWYG policy, so if players can't figure out that they are flayed ones and immortals I can't use em (though he did think the idea was solid on paper). Still, I'll give it a shot, and if they come out good, I'll put up another noob post on how to add photos to posts lol.
As a cost analysis, to produce these elites it would cost 35 bones for a 12 warrior box and 35 for an 8 genestealer box (70 USD). By performing this conversion you can create 8 flayed ones (48 USD), 4 Immortals (40 USD) and have some scarabs, genestealer and necron gun bits around for future experiments, saving 18 dollars on the blisters. or, you could make 6 flayed ones (36 USD) and 6 immortals (60 USD), which would be 98 USD worth, which would be the most cost efficient way to go (Still some scarabs, less spare bits though, and 2 full genestealers for no apparent reason... paint em silver and call em really covered flayed ones )
And here would be that post where I ask how to add a picture lol. I successfully cut the genestealer arms to fit into the socket for necron arms, and have a picture of the genestealer arms on the body with the legs on.... then I proceeded to drop the model and the legs fell off. The arms are still on, so I think the conversion was a success, at least for this first step . Thanks for giving me the back up I needed to do this gents, I most appreciate it.
And in case its bad taste here, sorry for the double post
As for posting pics, first get 'em hosted somewhere (I use Photobucket), then get a link to each image (Photobucket will list them for you). Then, while composing your message, click the "image" icon above the text window. Paste in the link and that's it.
My apologies for the many posts, but enter the painted I used a chaos black primer, scab red for the early arms, Hawk Turquoise for the dots, Dark Angel Green for the eyes (which you can barely see :/) and energy vent thingies, and Tin Bitz for the rust (also hard to see). Chainmail is the silver, as that is the one I use as my core for all my beasties (Chainmail and Dark Angel Green are my armies main colors). Rarely does a necron get that kinda painting attention, so I think its pretty neat