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Believe it or not, this project started out as a Christmas present to two of my friends but then grew on me. Unfortunately besides growing on me..... the project also grew. I started it back in very late November but since it was a Christmas present I didn't want to reveal it on forums where my friends read... that would ruin the surprise. Please bear with me while I catch up to where I am now with pictures and details. BTW I posted this project on a few different forums so you may see it elsewhere.
From Apocalypse we've seen a lot of super heavy vehicles for many different factions; some redone and some new ones. While I'm an Imperial Guard player with an a surplus of super heavy vehicles (among others...), I look over at the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines and I don't really see any. I mean yes they can take the Baneblade and dress it up to look like a SM or CSM vehicle but IMHO it just really doesn't "fit" in the army alongside a Land Raider. Now I'll admit to you from the beginning that I know squat (no pun intended) about the SM or CSM regarding vehicles but I wanted to give them something special that they could use in a super heavy vehicle capacity on the battlefield.
Taking this concept, I looked at what they had already; the Land Raider. The Land Raider is an awesome vehicle and combines awesome firepower with trooper protection and delivery in the same vehicle. So why not take that concept but a bit further. First, let's start with two Land Raiders. Now let's chop off the front of one Land Raider and the back end of another and marry the two sections. Now we have a double length Land Raider which sort of looks a little weird so let's go ahead and fix that.
Next let's make our elongated Land Raider wider so it doesn't look like a driving coffin. Ok so now we have a wider longer Land Raider but it's really doesn't look quite right yet. The tracks really don't look right. Now doubling the width of the tracks doesn't them really doesn't look right either (at least in my mind); it looks like a brick driving around. Ah but what if take a regular unstretched Land Raider side and put it centered and in tandem with the already extended tracks..... something like this.I think we're on the right track here (pun intended)...time to get some parts. Conveniently the Land Raider Spearhead deal works perfect for two Land Raider Exterminus's (name for now anyway, suggestions are welcome!). The first Land Raider Exterminus will be bumped up to a Land Raider Exterminus Crusader taking advantage of all the extra parts and bits. My other friend is a huge Thousand Sons fan so his Land Raider Exterminus will be of the Chaos variety. In fact I'm going to call his project Ahriman's Chariot.Code:[======] [==========] | | [==========] [======]
In addition to the kits, I also purchased some additional bits from Forgeworld to put some nice detail on it as well:
Land Raider Reinforced Armor
Land Raider Prometheus Command Tank Conversion Kit
Imperial Eagle Land Raider Doors
Terminator Land Raider Doors
Thousand Sons Land Raider Doors (x2)
As a substitute for the Helios Land Raider Kit, I choose to buy the Space Marine Whirlwind Sprue instead because the missile launchers on that kit look much more impressive.
Ok so the table is set and the pieces are in play. Look for an update in the next couple of days! The bad news is that because of my schedule, I'll only be able to work on this on Saturdays (we have Gatekeepers to build the other days....) As always, comments and suggestions are always welcome!
Last edited by dogmaraider; February 5th, 2008 at 18:38. Reason: Added Signature
Ok time for an update. Below you'll see the current set of items that we'll be working with. I have pictures of the FW kits but we'll worry about them later when we actually need them.
Let's start by creating the interior panels of the Exterminus. Now the inside of a normal Land Raider has two access points through which troops or an internal panel can be displayed. To easily make the Exterminus larger, we're going to cut and combine the interior panels of the Land Raider such that we will have four panels on side instead of just two.
One thing to keep in mind is that we want to ensure that the spacing between the all of the access points is the same. As will be shown later, we want the two inner access points to line up just as if it were the original internal internal panel. This way, we can combine the elongated track structure and an external standard Land Raider panel. I know it's confusing now but believe me it's really hard to explain. Just bear with me while I create the basic structure.
For easier identification, let's designate the two left panels of the Land Raider kits the left front panel and the left rear panel. Below the cut details for the left rear Exterminus interior panel. You can see that it's made just aft of the divider on the front ramp. The cut is made all the way through and is the easier of the internal panel cuts. Save any left over internal panel material. We'll be using it later elsewhere on the model.
Left Rear Panel Interior Cut Location
Left Rear Panel Interior End Result
Be sure to save the front ramp structure that we cut from this panel. We'll need it later...
Left Rear Panel Interior Left Over Bit
Now that we have the back panel cut, let's go ahead and cut the left front interior panel. This cut is more complicated as it goes through one of the posts that previously connected the internal and external Land Raider panels. We don't want to cut through the post all the way; let's save the post for a later point that we can use to connect panels to together.
Left Front Panel Cut Location
Below you see the depth to which we want to make our cut. It's just past the rail structure used to hold the sliding Land Raider doors. At this point you want to stop cutting.
Left Front Panel Vertical Cut Depth
Now you want to cut horizontally into the cut that you previously made. Again you just want to cut through the post to the point where your previous cut finished.
Left Front Panel Horizontal Cut Depth
All the cuts for the left panel are now complete. The effect is we've cut out a rectangular chunk separating the back portion where the engine would have attached from the remainder of the interior panel.
Left Front Panel End Result
You want to perform the same process on both sets of interior panels for the right side as well. When you have everything cut, you can assemble the two pieces into one interior panel shown below. These two panels will form the basis of the chassis that we're building.
Interior Panel Detail
Here you can see the one the Exterminus interior panel's that we created alongside a regular Land Raider and Leman Russ track structure.
Panel Size Comparison
Remember back when we were cutting the panels and how we wanted to make sure that all the access points lined up correctly? We'll because of the locations of the cuts, everything is lined up perfectly. This will allow us to connect the external and internal access points together.
Access Point Alignment
We'll this wraps up this update. We've made some real good progress for this week. Next week we'll look into cutting the external panels. At that point the whole Land Raider Exterminus structure should be much more recognizable and defined. As always questions and comments are welcome!
Last edited by dogmaraider; February 5th, 2008 at 18:38. Reason: Added Signature
What are the stats on this thing? Looking good so far.
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Wait, so this is like two Land raiders strapped together?
Wow, pretty nice idea there! There's no super-heavy lovin for SM's, except when they borrow them from the IG. So why not make one of your own? Okay, so how are you going to make a SM superheavy? Stick two Land Raiders together!? Awesome sauce!
In the spirit of the vehicle being a superheavy, you might consider widening the track sections, if possible. Widening the hull would probably be appropriate as well, though probably far too much troublesome.
The only real big question that I have for you is: What is this vehicle's role on the battlefield, and what weapons and upgrades are you going to give it to help it accomplish its mission? You've listed Hyperios (Whirlwind) Missile Launchers, a pair of (Prometheus) Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters, and Extra (Reinforced) Armor. I'm guessing its going to have Armor 14 all around, ala the regular Land Raider and its variants.
It appears, in my eyes, that this new pattern Land Raider would take on the role of a massive troop transport, much like the IG's Gorgon. Two (or more) full squads of Space Marines pile into this heavily armored troop transport, it rolls over/through an enemy weak-point, and realeases its troopers into the heart of the enemy, covering them with Heavy-Bolters, Assault cannons, and such like. Might want to consider giving the thing a Demolisher Cannon and Dozer blades, so it can smash through defenses with ease.
Then again, the sky is the limit!
Hope to see more soon!
Converting tanks is like ++INQUISITION REMOVED++ for me. Even if Adeptus-ising my baneblade makes me feel guilty reading this :$
I'm certainly subscribed to this! I wouldn't mind knowing, is the 'exterminus' pattern of your own devising or is there actually a GW/FW article on it?
It's his own.
@Kossolax_the_Foresworn: Thanks! Definitely 14 armor all around. I'm treating this more like a skeletal framework for a vehicle. I'll write up a general entry and then from their provide the options and variants that anyone can create. As I said in the beginning this actually started out a Christmas present so these really are my tanks. What I plan to do is create the basic kits for these two guys and then but another set of LRC's to make my own to continue this project.... I'm not even a Space Marine player but I'm all psyched up about this project!
@Winterous: Yes but the body is wider and we have two sets of tracks. The inner set of tracks is long and goes the whole length of the LRCE. The second set is a standard size LR tracks and their set in the middle of the larger tracks.
@Son Of The Forge: Widening the hull is absolutely on the agenda! Based on the photoshop mock-ups that I've done, making twice as wide looks funny. As I get closer to marrying the two halves I've started, I'll have to investigate further before making a final decision on the width. The same goes for widening of the tracks.
As far as the vehicle's role, again I'm thinking it's quite varied depending on the chapter. Certainly I can think of it as personal Command HQ vehicle for a Chapter Master or Grandmaster(now there's an idea!...), the spearhead of an armored assault or as fire support to an advance. I'm thinking that you certainly would have all the standard variants (GW and FW) that are included now plus combinations there of. So for example you would have a Prometheus and a Helios in the same package.
Also because of the size of the vehicle, I'm treating it as something extremely rare like the IG FW Baneblade (or at least it was....). As such you probably would not see more than one or two of these per chapter if they were even available at all.
Certainly as a troop transport it would shine. As you said I certainly was thinking of two full squads of troops, 2 full 5 man squads of Terminators, HQ with retinue and terminator squad, etc. I haven't ironed out the details yet as I have to consult my friend Modakai on this (one of these tanks is actually his Christmas present!)
@inquisitor_smith: Yes it's my own design.
Thanks everyone for the support. I certainly try to live up to the expectations! Though I did look around the web for ideas before I started and was influenced by many people’s projects and pictures.
Last edited by dogmaraider; February 5th, 2008 at 18:39. Reason: Added Signature
Alirghty time for an update. My apologies for the lateness of the post, I was distracted by a movie. Just to review, this is what we have so far. For today, we're going to be working on the outside of the Land Raider to match the interior panel. So we'll start off with two standard Land Raider exterior panels. First let's cut the left exterior panel
Left Exterior Cut
Left Exterior Cut Result
Left Exterior Piece Detail
And we want to do the same for the right exterior panel.
Right Exterior Cut
Right Exterior Cut Result
Right Exterior Piece Detail
You'll notice that regardless of the side, cut line is actually just in front of the Crux Terminatus symbol on the side of the LR (the really small one) straight down. It's ok if the cuts are not exact. Where you're cutting will eventually be hidden inside the elongated inner track anyway so not to worry.
Our next step is for the left and right exterior pieces that we just cut, we have to cover the access points. They're not necessary and we'll also need them filled in to serve as glue points for the exterior Land Raider track we'll be putting on the outside. To do that will require two steps. First we'll worry about the large area of the access points. To fill that we'll need to cut some rectangle plasticard 2mm thick which best fits the thickness of the access point area.
Plasticard Rectangles for Access Points
The first time I tried this, the angle corners of the access points made it extremely difficult to match with the plasticard. To eliminate this problem, I used a chisel Xacto blade to square the corners. This made it much easier and faster to fit the pieces properly.
Access Point Square Corner Cuts
Access Points with Rectangular Plasticard
Now that we have the majority of the access point filled. we need to go ahead and fill the latch and hinge slots. To do that we employ the same technique with small strips of 2 mm plasticard. Instead of trying to cut each tiny cube and it in the slot, I glue the strip into the slot and then use the same Xacto chisel blade
Latch and Hinge Slots Filled
Now that we have all the plasticard we need cut to fill the access points go ahead and glue all the plasticard pieces in place. Do not glue the interior and exterior pieces together yet. We'll keep those separate for now. Below you can see the result of our work for today. The inner track is coming into better focus now and you can see better how we're going to proceed.
Exterior Inner Cut And Access Point End Result 1
Exterior Inner Cut And Access Point End Result 2
This coming week we'll start to work on the external track units and start to do some thinking on how to connect everything. As always, questions and comments are always welcome!
Last edited by dogmaraider; February 5th, 2008 at 18:39.
LOOKIN GOOD SO FAR! if you check out the space marines section in the games-workshop site you'll see a scenario called supply run. i see this new vihcle as something like that. should it maybe behave like a behind te lines artillery base/infantry support centre.
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