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I'm gradually getting the Macragge set put together. I'm really enjoying painting again after all this time. It really has been a while, so I thought I'd stop and ask for advice and critique before I went any further with this mini.
Here's my Brother Sergeant Octavian mini with a base coat and some minor details. I'll be adding more detail, highlighting, washing, etc. soon. This is just kind of playing with color positioning and getting a good coat of paint on him.
I've got some better pictures on my Flickr. They're larger and show more angles.
Wow, the ugly parts REALLY come out in a photo. It looks kind of bumpy and you can see that there is a hair of some kind on Octavian's right arm. Theres some not-so straight lines and sloppy parts that I've noticed as well.
So help me, LO! What am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? Here's my thoughts on the matter:
What I don't dig:
- Pseudo-Latin marine ramblings on arm/sword. I think "VINDICTA" would look good on the sword, but how should I have it painted? Should I try to carve it into the sword?
- Ultramarine "U" on a knee-pad. Would this be overkill?
- "ULTRA", "OCTAVIAN", "ETERNUS" or something similar on the right arm. Man, that's going to be difficult to write! I have a really fine pen, though.
- Covering most of the lower portions in a brown wash to make him look "dirty".
Stuff I need advice on:
- The bolter. Is it over detailed? Not detailed enough? Either way, it's UGLY.
- The chainsword. WAY too shiny.
- I notice that my dry-brushing needs a lot of work. I seem to be filling in some gaps I'd rather not have filled. Is there any way to fix this after I've already gone this far?
I know this is a long post and I apologize for that. I'm just trying to get the best looking minis I can put together now that I'm a little older and have the time/patience to work on this sort of thing. I'll be searching around for a lot of this info (already found face painting material, looking for others).
- Face painting. HELP!
- Highlighting. How should I highlight him and what colors should I use (especially the chainsword and power armor)
- Highlighting the crest on his chest. I've noticed from pictures that it looks like white paint is used to highlight the gold. Is there a technique for this?
- Should I give the armor another coat of paint or will the highlighting make it "pop" and look more like a REAL Ultramarine!
Thanks so much for looking at this and for any comments/advice you can leave! ;Y
The bolt pistol seems fine. It doesn't look right because you didn't drill out the barrel. Take care of that and I think you'll be happy with it!
I highlight gold with mithril silver, but white would probably work too. A healthy chestnut wash is good for gold as well.
A heavy brown wash will probably just make him look lazily shaded, not dirty. There's a guide to painting black power armor on g-w.com that has a section on adding mud to a marine's boots. It's easy to follow and works great!
asking LO for help is always something i would avise, ive been here for 2 years and have picked up some amazing skills for veterans who just always have time to give you avice.
its sorts of like going to Uni except over the internet.
Heres some advice i was given a long time ago:
Don't rush mini's ever. The longer you take the more love the models get and the better your overall outcome will be. The model is very strong at the moment. no splodges and it seems you have wattered down your paints well so we can already see you have taken advice from some sourse.
The Face i will come back too later on.
Blues are can be as easy or as difficult as you make them. i tend to go for the easy route as i particularly hate blue, i dont understand why i do but i do... weird huh?!
I would start with a dark blue. Maybe midnight blue (if its still made? - ages since i have used GW colours) as a base coat. Or the new blue in the basecoat set.
Then from this start the tideous mixing process upwards.
for this i shall abbreviate for i am teh lazy!
Midnight blue = MB
Regal Blue - RB
Skull White = SK
Step one = 4MB : 1RB
Step two = 4MB : 2RB
Step three = 4MB : 3RB
Step four = 4MB : 4RB
Step five = RB
Step six = RB with a tiny spot of SW for a little tint.
Step 7 = SW on the tiniest edges. and then a tiny dot in the same direction.
heres an example.
__________________ . (this will give the illusion of a sort of sheen)
When your drybrushing i think the problem you may have is that your using a little too much paint, just use a spare sock (a SPARE one im not condoning stealing people socks) and then wipe most of it off so it barely puts any paint on the model (i dont like saying this and making people feel stupid i hope im not doing this, if you feel i am please negative rep i will understand)
You can black ink the marine after drybrushing, i typically use a 3 part water to one part ink for this but experiment you may find something you like more.
If you want a harsher use of shading a cheat i use is Vallejo Game colour
I use the Black vallejo colour and really water it down, however when you put it on models it still drys like a paint so it gives a very nice shading you would otherwise be unable to obtain from an ink ;Y (omg my secrets are being revealed....)
Brown washes are always good, go for it and experiment. I tend to paint little splodges with Scorched brown and then drybrush bestial brown over this in tiny places to make it look like theres caped mud and also fresh mud. Then cover this in a brown or chestnut ink.
For the sword i strongly suggest using a pencil. This is how i wrote thing onto my rhinos.
What you need to do is get a ruler and draw a line then work the calligrophy into the sword in a way that you like and then start painting. it really is that simple.
Painting faces, THis must be the bane of everyones life and indeed it was once mine! BUT NOT ANYMORE!
This is an easy and simple way to make faces look superb.
Paint the face a nice darker colour of the type of skin colour you want. I am going to taslk you through the typical caucasian colour.
First paint the face Scorched brown.
Second use a scroched brown dwarf flesh equal mix.
Third use dwarf flesh to pick out the raised areas: nose, cheeks, chin etc.
Fourth do the same but smaller highlights with dwarf flesh and elf flesh mix.
Fifth do an extreme highlight of elf flesh.
That should give you a perfect face.
However if you want to go for a better marine maybe try a buzzcut. This is like a typical military hairstyle, you do this by mixing dwarf flesh with codex grey and then highlighting with elf flesh and codex grey.
The gold is easy like magilla suggested just use a nice chestnut ink wash over and then add some nice highlights with a lighter gold.
I typically use a dwarf bronze and a vallejo game colour that escapes my mind (im currently at college in media studies) go go procrastination.
I wouldn't moan about long posts dude! i love reading them and responding, i hope this advice helps!
Tip for the metallics: Give em a nice home made black wash.
Currently painting the Waaagh! of Warboss Borboss - Goff and Evil Sunz warband
you got good advice off tiberius there, but most definatley drill the giun barrel
Everything you have been told is a lie!
Thanks so much for all the responses! You guys really filled in the gaps on what I think I'm missing here. 8Y
Its kind of strange painting Ultramarines. I used to have a Chaos SM army way back when and the techniques seemed so much different. I've been reading a lot of painting guides on Ultramarines and other little tips. Hopefully I can make this mini worth-while.
It may not have been the best idea to start with one of the only unique minis in the set, but I get excited and couldn't wait to get to work on him!
Thanks again, I'll keep everyone updated when I finish this one!
Just an update...
I've gotten most of the detailing done as you can see here:
I left the eyes white because every time I tried to paint pupils, he ended up with a lazy eye or something crazy like that.
I think the blank stare is a little more menacing, anyhow. Call them "ocular implants" or whatever...
I'm convinced that those plastic transfer sheets are absolute garbage on anything other than a flat surface, so I resolved to paint nearly every detail on him by hand. The IV on the shoulder is a little sketchy, so I avoided painting an arrow on there, too. The U on the opposite shoulder is half transfer, half paint. Ugly as sin...
I did some highlighting and washing, drilled out the bolter, and dropped some ballast on the base. I'm not sure how I'll finish the base yet, but I'll come up with something.
I need to touch up the highlighting on the chest, maybe wash the stomach area a little more, and get rid of the weird blue brush stroke on the back. None of that stuff really shows up off camera, but I know they're there! Must be a touch of OCD.
Again, theres more pictures on my Flickr, here: http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...&pictureid=365
Thanks for all of the advice!
this mini is coming slong really well, youve put alot of effort in and you've listened to peoples advice which is what this community is all about and for this you get some reppage
With regards to your mini here are some criticisms followed by some advice =] :
The colours on the head are dark in all the right places however you have lost some of the detail with the lighter colour, a brown or chestnut ink wash (very diluted) would work wonders for this mini.
The aquila (chest eagle) could use with a very diltue inkwash and a highlight with the gold that you've used after this really will make the chest POP!
You need to highlight the gun holster because, well you just have to ok? lol nah you should because otherwise it stands out on the mini as that kind of 'unfinished' mode or PiP. the hardest thing is to go to a club and someone pick up what you think is your bea0:utiful centre piece and go 'cool that'll look great when its finished' ....
Are you leaving the joins in armour black? if you are throw a little highlight on there for them.
This is done with greys to white. LINKAGE The link is to a tutorial showing you how to paint black power armour use it for these parts or paint it silver its your choice 8Y
Please do the writing on the chainsword ive never seen it done and im now intrigued =]
Really well done my friend this is a lovely mini.
I think I just need to break down and buy some inks. I've been trying to apply washes to the model of diluted paint and water, but they don't seem to be doing the trick. I'll pick some up later in the week.
I painted "VINDICTA" down the sword length-wise, but it looked more orkish than anything. Not much of a battle hymn for the Emperor. I'll try it running from top to bottom. I think skull white is just a little too harsh.
I may try a gold or see if I can make it look carved in. I wish I had some GS, I could probably just sculpt it.
Thanks again for the comments, I'll see what I can do to clean him up some more.