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    Black primer + red paint = many coats...

    i am very new to warhammer 40k, just started about a week ago. I am playing chaos, and i baught the battle force. I've painted 3 Khorne Berserkers, and i've been having a problem.

    (I prime them black) for the red areas i've been having to put maybe 3 or 4 coats of red on(to get a nice effect, meaning no primer showing), over black primer. i've used the citadel paints blood red, scab red, and red gore, but its still the same each time.

    i tried using white primer, and it only need 1 or 2 coats. but then it doesn't give it the nice dark dark red look.

    what should i do?


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    Welcome!

    Well, you will come across this problem with several different paints from the Citadel line. Among these are especially red, yellow and white.

    If you want a cool dark red colour for your Khorne Berserkers you could mix the red paint with a bit of black and paint over white undercoat.
    Unfortunately, you don't really have a choice when using red.. You can't paint over black properly. I recommend you undercoat them in white and use black ink to create a shady effect.

    Don't paint several coats of red... It's not a very good way of painting and it will ruin the detail of the miniature...

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    simple fix

    Hi there and welcome!

    There is a very simple fix to your problem! Red and white and yellow and the metal colors do not like other colors on them or under them. They tend to bleed. The best way to correc this is to buy flat laquer in a spray can. Once you base coat your model with black or white, you have to spray your models and wait for a few hours for the clear to dry.
    This step will protect the paint from the new paint and give you the color you want! Remember though, a white base coat is the only color that give you true color to other colors added over it. Black tints the new color a shade darker, so you might want to use black since you are making Chaos. Its really up to you the artist!

    Remember, paint the base coat.....try and use a spray black or white. Then let it dry and then spray clear on the base color if useing red. Red bleeds jsut like blood!

    hope this helps friend.
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    My reply in the

    CLEAR COAT OF ORANGE THREAD

    Might help you out.

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    I find that the black primer works well, but whenever I want a lighter color in an area, I will paint over the primer first with white, then again with whatever light color once the white is dry. That being said, my home-grown SM army is mainly a dark green color, so really only small areas need this treatment. In your case, with most of your models being red, a white undercoat would probably save the most time. You could then spray paint the model with Blood Angels red. To get a darker, grittier look to the red ( which fits better for your chaos horde), I would suggest a VERY light drybrush over the entire model with either black or dark brown. I find this sufficiently dulls the red so you don't have some happy go-lucky bright color for your chaotic despoiler. Again, the drybrush is EXTREMELY light, with virtually no paint.
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    Anyone ever tried using a grey primer for reds? It seems to me that that might just work.
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    If you want a bright color over black, then mix white with that color and put it on before putting on the actual color. For red, you have to stick with either bright, or with black patches. The black ink thing might work though.

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    Hey, I&#39;m brand new. Actualy the only reason I signed up was to respond to this thread. Though I may post more in future.

    I find that the reason the red paints from citidel come up as either too bright (white base coat) or to splochy (black base cote) is because they are mixed too thin. I&#39;ve been painting figs for 15 years and find that the best way to fix the problem is to mix the red with a thicker paint colour (beastial brown works great) and apply it as a base, then paint over it with the intended tone of red. dmitedly when painting a large army it can be hard to maintain consistancy, but if you keep it simple (say 2:1/red:brown) you shouldn&#39;t have to many problems.A a shiny after thought I some times throw on a coat of red or brown ink(depending on the unit) and highlight to your liking.



    Side note: This is the same problem I had with yellow, But I dislike yellow armies so I havn&#39;t found the best method for painting it.

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    Chestnut Ink is your friend. It gives a nice look to red armour especially. I haven&#39;t tried it because the last time I had a red armoured army was 8 years ago when I had my blood angels, and I didn&#39;t have any chestnut ink. Suppose you could test it on a test model. If you don&#39;t have any chestnut ink then flesh wash can be a good substitute.


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    Brown goes over black well, and red goes over brown more easily than black. You do the math...
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