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I sprayed a few minis with black primer and interestingly I noticed that it's much easier to paint on top of sprayed paint than it is over brushed paint. Sprayed paint seems much rougher and new layers seem to grip onto it easier.
I haven't used white spray primer; does it actually stick onto the model as easily as the black spray primer? I've tried undercoating with white (by brushing) and it seems like much more work than with black paint - I'm using GW's color paints.
yeah white works just aswell as black and I agree i always use spray aswell, it is heaps quiker and far more convinient then painting it all on.
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I always seem to find that my white and black paints go a little gloopy.. when i am brush undercoating i usually use a damp brush to slightly thin it down.
If you're using a primer spray for undercoating, its designed to be rough so that the subsequent layers of paint have a good base to stick to. As i have previously posted here, i am now tending to use a grey primer.. usually car primer to give me a great base coat.
The reason for this is the grey is slightly darker than white and i think it makes it easier to see the details. When I use black i can't see a thing and always feel that I am painting blind. So i'll only use a black base coat when I am doing something that is predominantly black or dark.. big wings/tanks etc.
the thing that I want to know is.. why don't GW make Black and white foundation paints.. if you want to undercoat a model with multiple colours.. especially contrast colours.. they would be really handy for that.
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There's probably some truth in that spraypaint has a better "texture," but I personally loathe spray-priming, for a number of reasons:
1) Most of it is oil-based, which stinks up the house as I leave it overnight to dry. Why they can't make ACRYLIC primer, I'll never know.
2) Spraying is, even for experienced sprayers I've talked to, an inexact science. Too much and you fill in the details. Too little, and you leave exposed parts. No matter how hard I've tried in the past, I have NEVER been able to fully coat a model in primer. In response, I'm told to "just touch it up with a brush." Well, that's a pretty tough job on metal models, but more importantly, if I'm going to have to use a brush anyway... why not brush on the primer in the first place?
3) Control. Not only does spray paint get on the model, but it gets on everything else unless you do it outside or spray into a box. Either way, you're wasting as much paint (more?) as you get on the model. That makes so little sense to me. Further, painting a model in pieces or stages is infinitely harder with spraying. Experts say "Well, you could just mask the areas you don't want the spraypaint to go." Easier said than done in some cases. I got a better idea: Just use the brush to make sure the primer goes only where YOU want it to go. It's much easier to avoid places where models get glued together. For that matter, chips and other defects are MUCh easier to fix with brush-on primer as a base.
Me, I use the brush all the way.
I use a spray primers for metal models and a clear brush primer for the plastics, they both work fine and paint sticks just the only difference is you are taking the time to apply the primer with the brush making sure nothing gets missed.
I try to spray first of all, its helps to undercoat it with spray. I then always. ALWAYS. Follow with a layer of brush on paint. I do have a secret though. PVA glue. A add a small amount of PVA to the mix - usually chaos black - and it seems to shrink to the mini which helps me a lot. Also, it does seem to have a thinning effect with enough water added to make it all liquid rather than gloop. Works for me anyway.
I usually brush on primer. I don't paint a large volume of models so the time isn't too much of an issue. I feel like I can control the primer better that way.
I only use spray on primers. I prime outside and use and old drawer, less the face, as my priming box, which keeps overspray from getting everywhere. Not only do I use the typical white and black primers, I use Almond, Khaki, and Camo Green, depending on the desired end color of my figures. My goal is always the most figures, to acceptable quality, in the least amount of time.
I brush on my prime coat, first thinning down the paint.
I rarely use white anyomore, as I am "white blind".
Thank GW for those "foundation" paints.