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Hey, i like modelling(i'm not that great, but ok) and want to make some Terrain, and would like some advice on what to use/how to make stuff.
things i am thinking about doing:
Chaos Building/fortress type thing.
Large Forest area (possibly on a whole Board with a river in the middle?)
Eldar Web way portal thing#
Trenches (chaos style)
Any tips on what to use, material and tool wise (prices and where to get stuff would be good as well) , and if anyone has made anything like this any pics and or tips would be great.
Thanks in advance
Tempting as it is to make something huge I would recommend starting small, each peice you make you will learn something and each peice will get better, by the time you get to the large buildings they will look GREAT!!! (thats the theory anyway)
Start with the trenches, 5mm foamboard, for the walls, white polystyrene foam for the sloping land in front, roughed up and painted with plaster to make it gamer tough, pva glue and varoius sizes of sand to finish, paint on the PVA, mix in food colouring so that you can see where it is going and you wont miss bits, start by sprinkling over the larger grit bits then smaller sizes finally drowning it in the finest stuff, give it a tap to set it in the glue, leave it for 24 hours and then paint with arcylic house paint to start with as its cheap and tough.
Make it modular so it can be used anywhere, 3mm MDF base (Medium Density Fibreboard) for the small bits, 6mm hardboard for the big bits.
Foamboard should be available from big stationery shops, look for old packing foam from electronic stuff, dont use the polyurethane foam, it feels slippery and plasticy and wont be easy to paint.
Everytime I hear the word trenches it makes me so tempted to destroy my current table and build one entirely made of trenches
that aside, I could draw up some sketches if that helps?
Bugbait and Duane covered my ideas.
carry on, gentlemen.
Rome wasn't built in a day, Either should good scenery.
Tips on sourcing cheaper materials:
Don't use £ 7 a tub basing sand.
Go to Argos / Early Learning centre \ Equivalant and buy a bag of play sand.
I did this in the past week and In Argos 15kg = £ 2.79 and In The Early Learning Centre it was 10kg = £ 4.00. The lighter bag was considered due to my carrying it about (and storage)
This comes wet - so get a baking tray, tin foil, and scoop some onto the tray. Bake in a pre heated oven for a few minutes - and you're done. Scenery basing sand. If you have the last dregs of a basing sand kit add it in, for a bit of variation on rocks, but it'll do especially if you're flocking or adding static grass.
Edit: Please be aware this is finer sand, and will not perfectly match your basing sand. Add a handful of basing sand, or a chef's sprinkle whilst doing it if you prefer.
Go to a arts and craft store / stationer / DIY store and buy a bottle for 0.99p not, the £ 6 odd that GW charge. I like mine from arts and crafts kiddie section due to the nozzle.
For your trees - ~I went into GW and was embarrassed to see a pack of 5 odd up there for £ 15.
Go to a Arts & Crafts or a train model shop, and buy exactly the same for 1/3rd of the price.
Tools - I would reccommend a knife with changeable blade for scenery making, as it blunts so quick. A No 3 dswann morton scalpel, or a ars and crafts hobby knife which you just break off a cm section when it blunts are my prefferred tools.
And whilst there pick up milliput. the two part epoxy putty (different grades of fineness for different prices. Greenstuff's great for cracks and sculpting, but rolls of it on wooden boards to mark out the banks of your river is hideously expensive.) A 4oz pack costs £3.00.
Water effect - if you want to be cheap PVA will work to a degree, however I've used yaght varnish and it finishes really well. I picked up a tub of water effect for £ 4 the other day, and i'll be trying that soon.
If you click on my link and watch river sectionds and a forwest should be done in a step by step guide in "about" a months time. (laughs hysterically at such a notion as my keeping to my scenery timescale)
Last edited by stayscrunchyinmilk; May 23rd, 2009 at 19:42.
Woah, only just saw these, it decided not to email me new posts,
Thanks, loads of really good/useful suggestions,
another question (or two)
Where can i buy the Cheapest possible 6x4 board (i think its that size, 72inch, by 48inch)? (in UK)
What is good to use for making walls ect?
B&Q do 4ft by 3ft boards - approx 1cm deep for just less than a fiver each.
Much easier storage and moving about than 6x4, just add 2x clips.
Walls? For buildings? I like 2.5mm - 5mm balsa, (The thinner stuff with a triangular cross section in the corner for support leads to a good effect IMHO)
you may well get a farmhouse when iron chef finishes. Including a step by step how to, and a template for cutting your sections.
Couple more questions,
What is a good sub for Snow? i want to use quite a lot, and one tub of GW snow cost's too much for how much i plan to use.
And a river, is a good way to do it, Paint blue, then use some form of water Effects, and then maybe highlight/dry brush over that?
an alternative for tree's, if you want lots and want to be able to say you made them yourself is to go to the same hobby shop, (ie Hobbycraft in the UK) and buy 'woodland scenics' tree armatures. They are flat plastic tree shapes that you twist into realistic shapes, paint and stick clump foliage to. They are quite effective, almost as good as pre made trees, cheaper and bought in far larger numbers, better for covering whole tables. Pus the trees come out of their bases to temporarily remove them. I made some mistakes in mine, painting and more importantly clump foliage colours. Stick with one and not too bright.
If you wanted - I'd do all the blue painting, then add the effect and not try to affect that.
Do you really want it blue?
If you're going to paint the base, do deeper/darker colours in the middle
I intend to do some sometime, by cutting the wood, building up the sides with milliput, then sanding it - using different grade sands for different parts of the river. Then I'd ink it all - all brown at this point BTW - and then drybrush, then i'd drybrush green towards the edges like algae, apply water effect layer 1 allow to dry, then apply some inks / washes mixed with the water effect (green - maybe a hint of blue), then allow to dry, then the final layer.
for rapid's i'd drybrush the middle layer white, after whipping it up when tacky.
however, i'm just daydreaming at this point - (and bidding on some ebay which will be turned into scenery) I really should be painting.