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Well, I've started (another) new modelling project. Hopefully this will take off fairly quickly as the conversions are easy. Inspiration for this army comes from the phrase "from the nightmares of mortals". And got me thinking, a daemon army could really look however the hell it wanted. So, the idea for my daemon army will be loosely based on stephen king's "it". I.e. the daemon's are fear embodied. So for example, my plaguebearers are going to be embodiments of the fear of death. Monks with flaming skull heads, with bells and torches, or decomposing bodies. My Bloodletter is from various peoples fear of beasts. I have one at the moment that is a saurus body, with a wolf head. And have more planned. Horrors I have a plan for it to be a fear of the unknown. How i'm going to do that, I don't quite know. But I will.
So, the reason I'm making this thread. Once I get a few mini's off the ground, I'll post pics up here. But the most important is so you people can post up fears, what they'd look like embodied, what parts i can use, and what rules I could use. Basically a big suggestion box. And feel free to cross fears! A Fear of being murdered and spiders and fire? A flaming body with the eyes of a spider, two normal arms holding weapons, and six more arachnid like arms sounds like it works. This could be a bloodletter. Alternatively, if I made it spideresque body, it could be a Fiend of Slaanesh.
However, there should be a LITTLE unity. As in, common (ish) fears are being lumped into particular squads. I covered this a little earlier.
So get going with those suggestions. I'll take almost anything. Don't be afraid to put up what you're afraid of ;]. Also, if you've had a nightmare about that fear, tell me what was scary in it. It's great inspiration.
Thanks a tonne!
I think fear of the dark would be a challenging and interesting one to do. Fear of inadequacy could provide some challenge also. Two ideas for you anyway.
An obvious one for Tzeentch is fear of change
A for modeling fear of the unknown; I thinks thats quite difficult. One idea that came to mind was having an indistinct blurry main body of the daemon, with different mismatched limbs - lame, but its a start. Or you could just base up some question marks and use those
Looking forward to seeing this develop mate, great idea.
Ok here's what we've got so far!
From various friends of mine and me spitballing:
Fear of blood, which could be like a fountain of blood. Or a daemon absolutely soaking in blood.
Fear of the dark (got it before you ) which was basically, have a bunch of models, like guardsmen/trees/whatever and wherever there's shadows, have horrible gribbly chaos bits (claws/tentacles/fangs) reaching out of them. I suppose the fear of the unknown is similar to the fear of the dark. Meaning they'll be lumped into the same kind of squad.
Fear of yourself. A daemon who's skin is mirrored/reflective.
Fear of being blind/what you can't see/what you can see. Basically I have the models. They're bloodletters, without the big horns/headpiece and they have no eyes. They look AWESOME imo. Not sure what to use them as.
However, the idea's for representing the fear of the unknown is intriguing. I will continue working with that one.
Fear of inadequacy.... interesting. Very difficult to model however. Any ideas as to how I could model it?
Thanks! Rep for the great ideas!
Edit: Enetophobia (fear of needles/being stabbed etc). Which I could have as some daemon prince coated in needles. Think Hellraiser!
Agliophobia - Fear of pain! I could think of something amazing for this.
Astraphobia - Fear of thunder and lightning. Would be hard to model, but could possibly be worth it.
Ombrophobia - Fear of rain. Could be some interesting conversion oppertunities there.
Pathophobia - Fear of disease.
Pyrophobia - Fear of fire (although, fire will already be featuring in my necrophobia section)
Just a few thoughts. Here's the rough plan for the army:
One bloodletter squad: Scotomaphobia. Fear of being blind. The eyeless bloodletters (think pan's labyrinth).
Another letter squad: Zoophobia. Fear of beasts. These are beastmen/saurus bodies with various bestial heads/limbs.
Plaguebearer squad: Necrophobia. Fear of dead things. Flagellant bodies with flaming green skulls, and various dead bits.
Horror Squad: Xenophobia. Fear of the unknown (sort of). Unsure how i'm going to model them.
Nurglitch Daemon Prince: Thanatophobia. Fear of Death. The Nightbringer, with angel wings.
Fiend Squad One: Arachnophobia. Fear of Spiders. Basically, a hellish combination of various spider bits and bobs.
Fiend Squad Two: Scotophobia. Fear of the dark. The chaos shadow thing I mentioned earlier.
As an aside, to make it more "chaos daemons" all the daemons in the army will receive various tentacles and gribbly bits. Just to emphasise the anarchy present in their beings.
Sounds like a neat idea. I think sticking to one "fear" per unit type would be best unless you like telling your opponent every turn what they are. I have a converted army that I scratch built +bits and all the units are the same yet every person I play after explainging: The big ones those are my demon princes the medium ones are plaguebearers and the little swarm ones are nurglings and the jumbo one is Ku'gath still asks me every turn what each is. So the confusion I think would be worse if the same units were all different looking.
Spiders! spidering are freaking terrifieing. every one thinks spiders are scary. people who say there not afraid of spiders are lieing.... ehehehe.... i mean there just creepy.
Could you understand the beauty of the beast?
For a Mirror Daemon you could try to do puppets, like a marrionette. Daemon puppets. The idea being that the puppets will mimic/mirror the behaviour of those they fight, manner, body language etc. You were thinking of 'IT' they might resemble carnival folk or clowns. However they may copy people in a way that is mocking and cruel, showing a person how they hope they aren't. You could even have them holding a disk which is like a mirror, paint it silver and then give it gloss varnish maybe. Or you could find some thin refective material like on a sticker and cut it to shape and put it on. Puppets are very Tzeenchian, the mirrors could shoot flames and they could be Flamers of Tzeentch.
Fear of failure, old age and inadequacy could be shown with weak looking models but still nasty looking models. Zombies or Ghouls could be used for them. Fill in areas which are rotten and give them crazy grins. You could also put them together in a way that is mad, to show they are mocking people's fear of being worthless. Another fear of failure could be the image of a fallen angel. Many of the people in the Imperium (assuming these are 40K Daemons) view themselves as good, pure, holier than thou and as saviours. A fallen angel could be done, all pretty but with an evil face. This would show the fear of treachery and heresy that knaws from within. They could resemble these baddies from DMC.http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/de.../db/Fallen.gif
For fear of the unknown you should watch Jaws. The shark is scariest before it is seen. It acts as an unknown force that destroys people utterly but is more or less invisible as it does it's work. People don't like to be eaten either, infact they fear it which is what the shark does to them. You could make models with ribcages like prisons for the souls of their victims. I'm not sure what you would use though. Any film which rarely shows the antagonist such as Alien (obviously don't so a Genestealer) but use the impression it gives you. The shower scene in psycho where we can't see the psycho, only the shape. Models wearing masks or hiding uder robes with knives poking out could be done.
Astraphobia could be doneby making the model look like thunder clouds. Use cotton woll soaken in PVA or toilet paper (unused) soaked in PVA. Put it over a very rough putty shape on a base. Paint it dark grey and black to make it look like thunder clouds. They could be wielding lightning swords. Get swords and paint them up as if they have electricity all over them, like the way I did on my Tyrgon only I used green instead of blue electricity. The swords could even be glued on so the handles are visible like they are being held by an invisible force in the storm cloud.
People fear sin because they fear the supposed punishment they may recieve for being a sinner. You could try the seven deadly sins. A Daemon Herald I think they're called could be done like that, one Herald as each type or Greater Daemons. Sloth would be good for a Nurgle type. Wrath wpould work well for Khorne or Daemons that use Khorne rules. Gluttony is about excess and being fat, use Bull ogres without the gut-plate and make huge bellies out of green stuff. Lust could be done as a pervert Daemon with grabby hands wanting to grope people and would be a nice change from the common Daemon-sluts of Slaanesh. Here are some more DMC types that show Daemons as sins. Seven Hells the Demon Army - Devil May Cry Wiki
I'm afraid of those dread creatures of Africa and Asia, elephants. Elephants can squash you with their huge feet, strangle you with their trunk. Or squeeze you till you pop. They can also eat you whole and feel you squirm, helpless inside them, slowly dying in digestive juices. Nothing with death spikes that big is purely vegitarian I don't care what the Discovery channel says. They can throw you in quicksand and watch you sink, pretending to offer their trunks to get you out and then pulling back to watch the hope die in your eyes as you sink below the surface. They can snap your bones and leave you to slowly die or be horribly mauled by scavengers. They can also tear your arms and legs off and leave you as a helpless, screaming torso. These are only a few of the multitude of horrors the elephant can unleash upon you!
Don't get me wrong, I like elephants but they still scare me. I have nightmares about them destroying my home and chasing after me. Hope this stuff helps.
Last edited by Leech; May 26th, 2009 at 06:15.
I have a great Idea for the darkness/unknown phobia. This would work especially well for the horrors... REVERSE HIGHLIGHTING!!! basicly start with white and build up to black!
I might paint one of my cousin's horrors like that just to see what it looks like (he won't mind, he's a pretty cr@p painter).
Hhhmmm fear of the unknown.... the first thing that came to my mind then was just plain bases (no model mounted on them what so ever). Then i thought that was just silly. for that you could always use night goblin models but drill out their faces from their hoods and leave cut away the arms so all you have is robes.... actually thats not a bad idea! iv got to use that for my chaos greenskins!
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense... Wait, what?
Tyrius: What i'm doing is sticking to one type of fear per unit. I.e. arachnophobia=one fiend unit. Fear of the dark = 2nd fiend unit. For example.
Carcearion, got spiders covered. Modelwise i'm unsure if I want to use the goblin spider riders, or find some other source of spider. The only thing here is, goblin spider rider spiders don't embody the scary thing about spiders. Those big long scary legs (all eight of em) which come from a small body dwarfed by a massive abdomen. Then add eight eyes and fangs.
Leech as soon as you said marionette I knew you were talking DMC .
I think, if I had some visible sources holding the puppets (strings), then painted the puppets reflectively. The Daemons could be doing things that the person is afraid they themselves will do, and due to the reflective nature of the daemon, it would look like them.
Interesting take on that Leech. I like the suggestion for fear of inadequacy. I do have some spare ghouls and zombies... hmmm. The fallen angel I'm going to veer away from, as my army already includes the angel of death (who's under construction).
The masked people would be a very nice way to do it actually. Perhaps a mask like my shadowseer has (http://www4.osk.3web.ne.jp/~hasinaka/shadowseer.jpg). In that it is blank. However, this would mean I would have three squads of bloodletters! As I can't think of any other representation for them. Maybe plaguebearers, because the fear of the unknown is always there. Do you really want to open that door? What was that creaking as you stepped out the room? It's dark in the living room, is there anyone in there? I hope not, ok, the bathroom. Ah, the kitchens dark and the windows are open. What if there's someone in the kitchen or someone outside watching me? What if there's someone waiting behind the bathroom door? What if there's someone behind me in the mirror when I look up from spitting out my toothpaste.
The only problem is they'll be fairly similar to my bloodletters (fear of being blind). But hey, they'll look similar, meaning there'll be some coherency .
I like the thunder cloud idea. I'm playing around with that and Hemophobia (fear of blood) for one of my daemon princes, which will have iron hide and breath of chaos (nasty flamer template). Simply because if I represent hemophobia as a raging fountain of blood, it could spray people with gouts of it, or fire lightning and people, explanation for the template? Lightning jumps
The seven sins could make very nice heralds for my bigger apocalypse games (simply because my HQ's are already taken in my normal games). However, you're pushing the boundaries of "fear". I would have to make the heralds look not so much an embodiment of the sin, but what they fear about that sin.
Elephants? Aww Leech <3. Ever played Resi Survivor? (think it's survivor) you need to kill a massive zombie elephant. However, you've reminded me exactly why I'm asking other people. No one can give a more defeatist pessimistic, fearful explanation, than the one who is actually afraid of them. Hence my necrophobia unit is in there. I hate dead things, I hate zombies. Hence I play resi+Left 4 dead so i can shoot the buggers.
Dead Dude Walking, reverse highlighting is an interesting idea. Very interesting actually.... I'll bear that in mind.
Edit: Spladge. The only problem there is, well, they'll be a little small. And small things aren't scary to be honest.
Thanks for all the great suggestions folks!
Yes, I understand. Its hard enough to do conversions for 1 unit as a different unit that they all are. You will ultimately have the same type fiends that are 3 different looking units, which is hard enough if it was just 1 type. People associate units by what they look like so if you have 3 different units all "counting" as the same unit it will be very confusing.
Like I said its a good idea, but unless you like explaining several times throughout a game what every unit is I would suggest keeping it simple.