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After a recent priming problem (See http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...r-problem.html) I grabbed a fresh can of Skull White primer and tried, once again, to prime a guardian model.
However, just like last time, the primer built up on the plastic and formed a rough sand-like texture that shows through a player of paint and looks aweful. (Tiny, visible bumps all over, very inconsistant surface.)
Has anyone else had problems with White Primer? I ask about the color because I then primed another model with the Black and it went on great. Smooth, even finish. No bumps or "dusty" build-up.
To be honest, I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I make sure to spray at least a foot away from the target using short "bursts." The only thing I can think of is that I am using too much primer. The thing is, in all the pictures of "white primed" models, they are really white, not a slight grey, which suggests a fairly even and consistent coat. If I try for that, I end up with bumps (very visible) all over the model which won't come off, even when scrubbed.
My three options seem to be:
1. Prime Black and just slowly build up a light coat for brights. (Takes ages, but at least it will be smooth and not rough. Also, if you are like me and do lot and lots of watered down coats, the base color becomes less important.)
2. Prime super light white (Use barely any primer leaving the model almost grey. I still don't like how the primer goes on, but at least it's not that rough.)
3. Figure out what I am doing wrong with the White Primer. (Another bad can? Old Primer? I just bought it, but maybe White is used so infrequently it's been in the store a while?)
If you look at this GW article on painting fire dragons (Games Workshop) you will see just how white the helmet looks, allegedly just from a single coat of primer. If I spray even close to that amount, the helmet will be like sand paper and never smooth. What gives?
Any ideas as to what's going on? I'm getting fairly frustrated here and would like to get painting. The problem is, I want to use a lighter paint scheme, so a black prime will require more time to pull up the brights. I'm willing to do that, since a smooth finish is important to me.
Games Workshop - Paint Scheme
(Top middle paint scheme, or something similar. Calls for a white prime. Not having much luck with that so far.)
Thanks for the help.
Last edited by ColdSnap; June 29th, 2009 at 12:57.
Ask then to show you how to use the primer at the store. If they can't get it to work then there is a problem with the Primer.
Historically white primer of any type is not as smooth as black primer. You should try using several thin coats to see if that helps.
Other than that. Ask at the store. They will be really helpful. If they are not, write to head office in a non-accusatory tone and they will be really helpful too.
I prime my Eldar using GW white spray. It's a pain to use but gives much better results than skull white paint. It's tricky and I don't wanna sound like I'm above you or anything but it is doable. Just be very carefull, lots of thin layers from, very far away. I find I can see grey through my first few layers, but if you build it up then it can have a fantastic effect Try not to think, "Am I wasting loads of spray" you probably are, but try not to think it :p I'd say about 3% of what I spray actualy ends up on the model! lol, lots of coats, from at least 12" away You'll get the hang of it. I'll post some pics of my Eldar so you can see how they came out.
Here r the pics, all the white areas have been pretty much left that way since th basecoat You can stil see abit of "sand papaer effect" on these photo's but IRL the mnia are allot smaller and it's not realy noticable. There exodites BTW hence the conversion work.
Have you considered switching to a brush-on primer? I personally gave up trying to get an even coat of any kind of spray primer, period. I've not looked back since. Yes, it takes more work to put it on than a spray can does, but it's a LOT easier to get it right the first time.
I believe Vallejo makes a number of brush-on primers. While I've not used them, Vallejo has a pretty good rep with almost all of its products, so I can't believe it wouldn't be adequate for you.
Alternatively, you could try what we affectionately refer on LO to as "the Slorak method." Slorak didn't invent it, but he introduced it to us. It basically involves using a glass and tile medium (I can get you specifics if you want them) cut 50/50 with water. It's a brush-on, clearcoat primer that washes off the brush with water.
Simple solution. If you want a white basecoat before you paint your models, like a really nice even (no bumps) basecoat, don't use primer. I have had similar problems with both white and black primer. Each looking like my models had taken a dip in white flour (they looked dusty after being primed). The easiest solution that I could find was to just use regular plastci spraypaint. Hope it helps!
With regards to priming, I have found that when I spray from too great a distance (over 12") I tend to get the chalky build-up more quickly. It's almost as if the white primer shoots larger, less-liquid particles which, when applied over multiple coats, end up building an uneven base. If I spray closer, the primer applies as more of a liquid and almost seems to flow better. It's hard as heck to describe. When I use black, it goes on glossy, smooth, and clean right from the get-go.
Games Workshop These Banshees were Black, built up to off white. I may try something like this. It's time consuming, but looks great.
Thank you all for your suggestions. Just to add to the information here, I called a GW store and spoke with a guy there about primer. He did say that white tends to be slightly more "rough" than black. (A property of the pigment possibly?) I don't doubt you can get a nice even coat of white, but I consider myself a pretty careful and meticulous guy and so far, I have been having a hard time getting a coat I am pleased with.
Awww man, thanks Mr Cold Snap XD, my first warhammer compliment XD Rep for you!