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Ok so I have been busy building and converting my new Tau army and I have got to the point where I am going to start painting them. Now I am going to be really painting this army to a very very high standard (high as far as my standards go) so I want to use decent paints.
Up to now I have always stuck with GW citadel paints but I have noticed the Vallejo paint range most notably the 'Game colour' range. I like the sound of these paints and was wondering if anyone had experience using the 'Game colour' and or 'Model colour' ranges. I am most interested in how they apply:
Do they need much thinning?
What is the opacity like? do they require application in multiple coats or are they one/two coat application?
What are they like for colour mixing? is there any pigment separation?
What is the fully dry finish like, it says it dries to a matt finish (Game colour) but how flat is the finish?
Are the paints good for blending, feathering and fading and do they take a wash well?
What is the drying life like? I/E how long does the paint stay wet outside the bottle (GW paints piss me of they dry so fast)
Is the paint good for fine detail work such as small lettering on banners and facial/eye detail?
And finally are they better than GW paints
Thanks in advance and if anyone has tips on paint ranges other than GW and Vallejo please let me know.
I use a mixture of GW and Vallejo paints - mainly Vallejo model colour rather than game colour.
My observations for you:
Thinning - they do benefit from thinning the way GW paints do, and don't break down as fast with large amounts of water.
Opacity - some variability, but on the whole they're more opaque than GW.
Mixing - some pigment separation, but manageable. They do mix with GW paints.
Finish - varies. The browns are very matte but the reds and purples are a bit glossier.
Blending, feathering &c - brilliant. Because they thin better and are more reliably opaque, you get more control over the result. The Vallejo glaze medium and smoke medium are also very much worth experimenting with.
Drying - not different to GW.
Detail - as with blending, as good or better than GW.
Another bonus is the dropper bottles Vallejo uses. Rather than seeing half the pot drying round the rim or in the lid, the paint stays good to the last drop.
And they taste better. :-)
Overall, I find the Vallejo paints function similarly to the GW pots, but I find that in general they tend to be thinner. Not so thin that you don't have to thin them yourself, but thin enough that you don't worry as much about a brand-new bottle being so thick it's almost unworkable, which has happened more than once to me with GW paints.
The dropper tip is also an excellent improvement. Yes, Reaper paints do this too, so perhaps this isn't so special, but I really like the dropper tip over the GW pot. Much, much, much less waste, and it's a lot easier to reproduce a "recipe" for a specific mix you've concocted, not to mention describe it to others!
I do still like GW's metals. I've never tried Vallejo metals, but I'm told GW's are superior. I also still use GW's foundation paints, as the coverage is excellent over primer/stripped models. The GW washes are nice, too.
Other than that, I'm slowly weaning myself off of "regular" GW paints in favor of Vallejo. Both the model and game color ranges are nice. Highly recommended. I also think they strip more easily.
I can only add my support to the other posters- I have quite a number of the vallejo model colour paints and I have found them universally excellent. The great thing about them though is that they compliment the GW range (which IMO are still very good paints) and are fully compatible with each other- like Canew I use the Citadel foundation paints and washes with Vallejo paint and its a combination I find works really well.
PLAN CLAN MAN!!
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man- S. Johnson
Everyone above me is right but there's one thing they forgot...the vallejo are also cheaper! So its a win-win.
EDIT: I still use the GW washes though.
Thanks for the replies, you have all pretty much confirmed what I have been hearing. I find GW paints tend to dry out really fast on the palette and the bottle designs are terrible. This is the colour scheme I am considering, is this colour scheme easily achievable with Vallejo paints?
I can't see why not!
There are colour ranges for game and model colour, and an equivalency chart on the Vallejo website - Acrylicos Vallejo
Last edited by andrewthotep; July 11th, 2009 at 22:34. Reason: articles
I also posted a "Vallejo to Citadel" dictionary in these forums a while back. I may need to sticky that.