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Up until recently (as you can see if you look up my previous projects) I've been getting by with a set of craft paints. Now they don't look horrible but when they are finished just don't seem quite the level of quality as GW/Reaper/etc paints when they finish. So I'm trying to assess which brand (Citadel, Reaper, vallejo, testor , etc) to go with , and then figure out which exact paints I need to paint my army up with so I can get started painting again asap.
I actually used to use Citadel paints back when I played fantasy(during 4th edition), but stopped because the price was prohibitive(I was about 11-12 at the time without any kind of steady income).Now that I'm a bit older and I care about the finished product more, craft paints just aren't cutting it so I need something better.
I'm painting up an army of chaos marines with this color scheme: (Link - The Purge - Lexicanum ). I'm trying to find the set of paints I will need to make that scheme work and hopefully buy them without spending too much(but price is currently a secondary concern to quality). What I mean by set is a full paint kit that comes with all the colors I need to make a Purge scheme including all the highlights, shaders, washes/inks, and any other paints I might need to buy to have a great end result on my models.
Note: I would prefer the green color to be more like the shoulderpad pic that is in the link I provided. It has a more neon look to it that I like compared to the flat green of the finished model in that link.
Also, I already have a great set of black/grey/white primer sprays and varnish coat so I'm really just talking about the brushed-on paints.
I'm looking for someone knowledgeable about paints that could:
1) Recommend a paint brand, keeping in mind both price and quality of the painter using them(If I were forced to live off my painting skills I would starve very quickly).
2)Recommend which specific paints out of that brand to buy that would best mimic the colors of the "purge", again keeping in mind highlights, shades, washes/inks, etc.
3) Supply any other suggestions about paints or paint buying they could offer. Maybe I missed something that I need , or maybe buying a complete set of paints is cheaper/better in the long run. I'm open to any/all suggestions but it seemed to me (and suggestions from others) that buying paints separately in just the colors I needed was a better way to go.
PS GW used to have a great paint article that had all of their colors and supplied highlight/shader suggestions based on the original color, but it seems to have vanished (along with a lot of other great articles). Does anyone know where I might be able to find something similar or an archived copy of the article I'm talking about?
Last edited by paregoric_HAL; August 4th, 2009 at 05:38.
The short answer: No paint is perfect, and ultimately it comes down to personal preference. In short, there is no one answer, I think, so you should wait until you get a LOT of feedback, then make your own decisions.
Here's MY take, and I'm hardly the reigning painting authority here:
Citadel(GW) makes "regular" paints, metallics, washes, and its Foundation Paints line. Personally, I'm not as much a fan of GW's "regular" paints, and while I have a good collection, I'm s-l-o-w-l-y swapping them out for the rough equivalent colors in Vallejo's model and game colour lines. One of the big reasons I like Vallejo's regular paints is the dropper-tip bottles, which are invaluable when mixing paint (which will eventually happen for you). It's been said that Reaper does the same thing, and includes colors in "triples," so you'd have your base, shade, and highlight colors all in one package. I can't vouch for them, though, since I've never used them. Vallejo's paints, I find, are thinner than GW's, almost to the point where you don't need water with some batches, whereas GW's are often TOO thick, and dry out in the pot faster.
That said, I do like GW's metallics. I haven't tried Vallejo's metals, but rumor has it they aren't as good. I also like GW"s washes, though if you're looking to save money you could get away with making your own washes by dramatically thinning down regular paint.
I should also give GW's Foundation Paints a shout-out. These are high-pigment paints that are designed to go on over, and obscure, primer, even black. When these came out, people who liked painting bright colors over black primer rejoiced. Mind you, you'll still need to do more than one layer, but with "regular" GW paints you could do countless layers over black to build up, say, yellow. Now, one coat of Iyanden Darksun and a layer or two of your "final" yellow color and you're good to go.
Your pic looks like black with neon green. In this case, I'd recommend (duh!) black (almost doesn't matter what brand. Black is black, I say) for the main armour. Highlight it with a gray color, or just mix the black with white, then highlight/drybrush. For the shoulder pads, you said you want "neon" green? Try out GW's Scorpion Green. I'm sure there's an equivalent color in the Vallejo ranges, but I don't offhand know what that is. You can't get much brighter than that, but if you find that's too much, try GW's Goblin Green.
As I said, doing such a bright color over black is gonna be tough, so you might want to pick up a light green GW Foundation pot, such as Gretchin Green. That's a kind of light brownish green (almost like a sickly green color), but it will provide a nice base over black that you can do the Scorpion green over.
For washing, thinning down your black would work, as would thinning down a green paint like, say, GW's Dark Angels Green. You could also pick up GW washes (the whole set goes for about $20 US), and use the green and black washes in there.
Good luck, and post pics!
Thanks for the great response, that had a lot of the info I was looking for. I'd love to get some more responses so I can get a nice list of pros and cons for all the brands and see what kind of color suggestions I might get, but I can't guarantee I'll get those.
http://star.walagata.com/w/eurynomous/RaptorPurge1.jpg is one of my earlier attempts at making the purge green. I still have those raptors but I just really don't like the texture the paint has compared to more adapted "model" paints like gw/vallejo/etc.
I think I might check out reaper and vallejo , they seem to be held in high regards and seem to have quite a lot of nice colors which parallel citadel's brand. I'll pick some up and test them out , now if only I had a local store that sold good model paints...
Also, why would you paint a black base coat and then cover it with a bright foundation paint? Why not start with a white primer and then use a regular bright paint instead or a foundation? Maybe it is obvious but I'm still not seeing the use of these paints. I thought I heard someone say they had a lot of pigment in them so they were great for mixing as well ?
Last edited by paregoric_HAL; August 5th, 2009 at 01:08.
If you are going to paint altos of models then a black primer is a good choice. There are a lots of black in your example, so to spray them black or just paint them black is a god start. For the green I should start with a layer of white (or two) then use green I have no experience with foundation colour, but from what I have heard you need to thin this colour as well or it will look messy. So then a layer of white is not a bad thing to do.
As for the colours. Gw paint dry quite fast, I have heard that you can keep the pot storage upside down to make them last longer. Valejo is what I use, but that because I mix altos of paint. You always have to pore up paint when you use valejo. Some painters that like to paint quick like to just take some from the bottle and water it out on the brush. The coin is that it easy to get to thick layers of paint but the pro is that it is fast.
I think its a good idea to water it out before you paint. A scorpion green is probably a good colour to use for the green. You can wash it after, I dont know about GW washes, but they sounds good. I make my own wash with a drop of paint, two drops of glaze medium (valejo) and some water.
Keep the paint diluted and thin :)
(first rule in Zentradis book of painting)
I wasn't talking about my model when I was discussing foundation paints. I meant in general why would you do a black primer when you intend to do a bright color over top? I don't intend to do a bright color over top for the most part, so I don't see the benefit of foundations.
Thanks for the responses. I'm kinda on the fence between reaper master series and vallejo. They both have very good reviews , don't need a lot of watering, come in squeeze-bottles, and all around are reviewed very highly.