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Hey im really not a noob to wargaming but I am very noob at terrain making anyways to the questions my and my sister are trying to make enough terrain for a few boards so first oft.
We where planning on making some rivers and lakes is GW water effects good for this. Or are there other/cheaper products out there.
And how do I use water effects?
Second I really like the style of those games work shop pineish trees and jungle trees but really do wount to avoid paying that much dose anyone know how I could make or buy similar trees much cheaper?
To give you an idea one board we are doing is going to be a orc/dwarf board set in a heavily forested mountains area with rivers the other heavy jungle terrain for my lizard men with swaps and ruins and stuff.
Oh while I have your attention do I really need to work with foam to be a serious terrain builder or can I avoid that for the time being?
Thanks in advance all and also if I do not reply to you guys its coze im leaving the country in 4 days and will have no internet access for 2 weeks
I've never used water effects before, but GW are not the only or always the cheapest manufacturer by any means. I shop in Hobby Craft (UK) a lot and they stock woodland scenics stuff, which is generally the same, cheaper and in larger quantities.
These are my trees, they are made with Woodland scenics tree armatures and clump foliage. I think they look ok, although you do have to paint and make them, so they are more of a time investment than GW trees. They basically come as flattened tree shapes, which you twist and bend to get a 3D effect. Then you paint them, drybrush them, put glue on the branches and dip into a bag of clump foliage.
Added advantages of these tree is that they pin into a little base which you glue down to the board. Result is the trees themselves are removable for storage, or if you want to put a tank in there or something.
There are a lot of alternatives out there, but many many are for train-sets and are really quite small, so if you are buying from the internet be careful with the scale.
As for foam. I've seen many many examples of it used to make great hills, cliffs and even buildings. Well high density poly styrene looks useful anyway (the pink or blue stuff, not the white). Despite having been making scenery on and off for 16 years I've never actually managed to find any, and I've always managed to find alternatives.
Hope that helps.
(ps the scenery thread in my sig might be of a little help)
For Wet Effects, you can't find many other great materials. I've used gloss paint on a large water feature. It's hard to do, and won't look good unless you spend ages studying how to paint 'water' in an artistic sense. The other alternatives are clear-drying glue, some types of clear resin, and other non-gw versions of the same product.
Train-modeling trees work just fine, but the scale can be an issue if you're not careful. With trees that need to be glued into sockets, like the woodland scenics- glue the sockets onto a piece of irregularly shaped Balsa-wood. This will give you a definite outline to your wood, and give you more freedom of placement than just gluing them directly to your board.
As for the question of hills and stuff: I'd go with foam of some kind. If you're building a modular board, with sculpted terrain features and you're willing to be careful, you can use paper-mache to "round off" your hills. This would allow you to build a skeleton of simple gardening foam (the stuff at floral shops that is super porous) or packaging foam (the stuff in tv boxes that breaks apart into a million little balls).
MDF foam is the best stuff to use however, with a foam-cutting tool. You can build stand-alone hills that you just sit on the table. If you want, you can even layer foam over your entire table to make very cool rivers, valleys, roads, and other effects.
If you or Matus are looking for foam like this, you actually need to go to a hardware store. There you can buy insulation foam. Just tell them what you need. They might ask if you want fiber-glass insulation: the stuff that looks like cotton candy. Obviously, no, you don't want that. There is foam though, often put behind interior walls to insulate individual rooms. That's what you want.
I've been working on a nice semi-modular board for a long time. I have modeled several features, like a river, rapids, delta, roads, hills, cliffs, ravines, and even specialty pieces for WHFB and 40k, like craters-fields, trenches, graveyards, and plowed fields. My boards are all based on a 1x1 setup, with some larger features like the delta comprising of one huge board. Some of the boards are even double-sided, useable as two different features, or as grass or urban versions. The hills, woods, and buildings are all left un-attached for ease of storage and also for the ability to really change the maps. Thanks to my love of terrain building, I am able to put together HUGE tables using all of my terrain pieces.
I hope you enjoy building your table.
Yeah sarathai, I've looked in the B&Q, homebase, wicks, focus, screwfix and all the consumer diy stores. Most of the GW stores I've asked for hints from have the same problem. I don't know if you are in uk or us, but I think the stuff is used more in America and much more easy to find, after all houses arebuilt in very different ways. I've done a lot (serious lot) of research into it and asked with all the possible names in the above stores, but they only stock expanding foam and glass fiber insulation. It is availible from the big builders merchants, but only by the pallet and they not sell to a non builder. On the interet there are a coulple of the manufacturers who have realised the demand from moddelers and sell smaler quantities, but at £30 for a rather small piece it wasn't worth it. The very large hobby craft stores also sell thin sheets for the woodlad svenics brand, but again it's very epensive and small. I actually managed to find some last week. We are having an extension built at work and the contactors were able to buy a few massive loads of it and they let me have the offcuts. It looks like good stuff... Nice and pink ;-)
Yeah, I'm across the pond then. Here in the US we can buy it by truckloads. I guess it has to do with the speed of the building, or the environmental factors (I live in Pennsylvania though, so I wouldn't expect that the climate over here is any better or worse). I always think it's funny to get to see how the other half of the language group is living, haha. There are a lot of differences between the US and UK.
If you live in the US, buy the foam. If you don't... I guess use Matus' trick.
Foam in the UK isn't that hard to come by if you know where to look. I found mine through this site. I think I used the 4D model shop -one of my favorite suppliers. You probably want the pink stuff - it's farily dense and you can cut it with a sharp bread knife or bone saw (it's less hassle than a hot wire and doesn't emit toxic fumes).
You can also use expanding foam filler spray purchased from B&Q or Homebase to fill cracks or get a slightly different effect, then sand and cut it down into the shape you need. Just be sure to buy nail polish remover to clean the nozzle.
well done, of the 4 on that link 1 doesn't work, one seems to be trade whole seller and one doesn't seem to sell he stuff, but that first one, the one you used does!! Like I said, some internet sites do sell it, this is a good example. This is also a bit cheaper than the ones I found, although postage will probably be expensive, these things are bulky after all.
Well done and reppy, I'd still say its not easy to find unless you live near a builders merchants thats willing to sell to the public, certainly not as easy as in the US where its sold in DIY shops, but this website is a good possibility.
for the lake, i would just paint the background dark blue and then paint over it with streaks of lighterblue and mix pva glue with alot of water about 3x more than pva glue and spread it over whever you want after mixing it. or you can mix the paint with the water. which is quite unwise because the paint will be too watery and it's colour will eb weakned.
Cool, thanks for the rep. Have you searched in your area on Google for 'art supplies' or 'model making supplies' rather than just looking for foam? You might find companies that specialise in 3D model making sell it (or companies that supply to professional model makers rather than just hobyists).