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So today I went to my local GW store and decided to just buy a couple of the "new" washes. They have probably been out for a while but I've never felt the need to use them until I saw some tutorials where the washes seem to kick ***.
This is probably a stupid question but I just want to hear your thoughts abgout it..
How do people know what effect the wash will give on a certain color? Do they have like 100 models with one different color on each one of them and then they just wash all 100 with for example Leviathan Purple and see what happens and then they know how it works?
I bought Leviathan Purple, Gryphonne Sephia and Devlan Mud today and will buy the rest of the washes after christmas so I just want to know your experience in like how you were investigating in how the washes worked when you bought them.
The washes are ok they give a nice matte coat to your paintjob and they are very subtle, blend nicely.
They don't color as much as the ink washes, sometimes you have to use 3x more to get the same effect.
ogryn flesh is pretty good for skin tones.
I still prefer inks (black, chestnut, blue, red, purple) for larger surfaces and coloring, the matte look i can get just as well with a matte varnish spray but i guess that's just personal preference. If you're going for a really high painting quality the new washes are slightly better (better control in gradient).
color theory can help you with how certain colors will interact.
most of the time it's instinct
Sometimes it's just to bring equilibrium in warm and cold color tones.
Or just because you want to repeat the color in your color scheme on top of another color.
if you're uncertain take a piece of cardboard paint it in the same colors of the mini and test it.i tried to use them the same way as ink washes, but the new washes were more subtlehow you were investigating in how the washes worked when you bought them.
Last edited by Uziel; December 7th, 2009 at 19:17.
Personally, I really like washes and use them on almost every model. I don't always use GW washes (make my own from lower quality acrylics), but GW washes do work so much better in terms of getting the right "consistency."
In my opinion the trick to using washes is to highlight afterward as most washes will "darken" the model quite a bit. There are no real rules on what washes work best with what, but I always use a black wash on metallic surfaces, orgyin flesh over skin and "Develin Mud" over just about everything else...For me, washes are not so much about creating a dramatic difference to the surface of your model as they are about "filling in" all the little crevices and giving your models an extra layer of depth.
the washes are without a doubt one of the best products that Citadel paints have produced.. There are some tutorials one the GW site showing you some of the colours that the washes and effects that the washes give over white.
In the washes set, there is a flyer that gives a range of colour combinations that work with the washes.. i believe this comes from the 'How to Paint' book.
For me Devlan mud is my 'go to'.. the depth of colour that this gives over just about anything is fantastic.. straight over boltgun metal and then highlighted by mythril silver gives a fantastic and very quick metal effect. Ogryn flesh or gryphone sepia over any of the gold colours give a lovely polished look..
Overall.. i'd go buy the lot and experiment..
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If you wanna test the new washes effect on different base colors prime some cardboard Black (or White or Gray) put down your base color and see what effect the washes have on whatever colors you are using. True, you won't be seeing the effect of Shading on a flat surface but you will see the change the washes make to different colors.
I bought the whole set. I have yet to use them all, but so far I think they're terrific. I find their effects are most noticeable on very light colors. For example, for "electric" coils, I've basecoated GW Ice Blue and done an Asurmen Blue wash. For bone, you could basecoat Bleached Bone (or even just straight white) and wash with Devlan Mud. Badab Black works great on metallics, especially bright ones like Mithril Silver. Ogryn Flesh is good for washing caucasian skin tones, as is Gryphonne Sepia, sometimes. You get the idea. If you're worried, just make sure the colors are roughly the same (wash green colors with Thraka Green, purple with Leviathan Purple, etc.).
They don't work as well on "medium" tones like Ultramarines Blue, Snakebite Leather, etc. The lighter in tone the basecoat, the more dramatic the wash's effect will be. Definitely follow up with a matte varnish afterward, though. No matter what anyone says, they still dry "shiny," just like the inks.
I also bought the whole set
I kept hearing such good things and i already wanted to buy 2 or 3 of them
the box was a much better deal (almost 4 bucks a piece or $25 for all 8 )
Last edited by Kelter Skelter; December 8th, 2009 at 17:06.
Thanks for the replies guys. Very helpfull.