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Hello everyone how's everyone doin?
Good...not that we have the pleasantries aside, I have a few questions to ask about detail painting.
If you look at alot space marines you see that the eyes on the helmets are painted with great detail...I on the other hand cant get one color in there without missing the mark all together. What tips would you great painters have about how to do this so I can get at least a base color and a highlight? Some thing goes for a regular head, how do you get the eyes painted, mine look like crap...
My last question, is how do I get a decent skin tone? Example, I recently worked on a model that I am personally quite proud of (Ill get pictures as soon as I unpack from moving) I went of the flesh areas with a darker skin tone, then a light flesh tone (elf flesh if memory serves), then Ogryn wash. I think it looks horrid, some of the paint was starting to clump, and it was quite thinned out, and only clumped after adding another layer, why?
Ok for the paint clumping, it was probably because the bottom layer wasnt totaly dry yet. That or your painted onto an unprimed model, and the paint hadnt bonded correctly.
In regards to fine details like eyes, its all about gear. You need a very very small high quality brush, and a steady hand. Something like a windsor newton 7 , size 0. The GW brushes are not small enough realy. As for a steady hand... less coffee and a trick I use.
Sounds silly this btw but bare with it. Hold your breath. Breath in, hold your breath, paint the small detail and then breath out. Again sounds silly but it works for me.
Marine helmet lenses may be details, but I find it much easier to paint them up much earlier, at the basecoat stage. Once your basic colours are down, use a nice, fine (and I mean really fine!) brush to get the eyes done. Neatness helps, but don't be afraid to make a bit of a mess - when the surrounding area is just the plain base colours, it's easy to touch up any messy bits. Not so if the armour around the eyes is all finished up.
Then you just make sure you're careful around the eye area when you do the helmet.
Just don't go holding that breath too long, eh?
Exactly where I got the idea from Wraith People generaly look at you a bit strange when you sugest it though
Thin paints. Sharp point. And if you go over the edges, don't panic, you can just paint back over them!
Don't try and do it in a rush with one slap straight on. It'll never work like that. You may need a couple of layers. It isn't Dulux you're working with.
Cervantes: In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd.
Also hold the mini with both hands when doing finer details, holds it steadier. I think it advises it in the painting citadel miniatures book as well. I just do it because I get the shakes and have hypermobile fingers so it comes naturally lol.
Fantasy: Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Tomb Kings.
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Practice, practice, practice. When I started painting I was lucky to be able to get the brush into the lens part of the helmet. After painting a lot of them (and a lot of other things too) my brush control has improved and I don't have much trouble painting the lenses now.
Also, take your time. Since these are small details it pays to move slowly and be deliberate with your brush strokes.
Practice is the key. Eyes are NOT easy when you're a beginner. I find doing eyes first, before you do any other part of the face, is best because it allows you to be a bit sloppier. Easier to focus on the eyeball when you're not worried about getting black/white/red/whatever all over the rest of the face. Also, it's kinda neat to do eyes first, because nothing makes a model "come to life" more, I think. Clean up around the edges when doing the face's basecoat, and before you know it, that lifeless lump of plastic is now staring at you! It's kinda neat.
Gear does matter. Those W&N brushes are not cheap, but boy will you notice a difference! The size 0s are great for eyes.
As for the steady hand, one thing that can help (if you're right-handed), is to brace the left elbow on the table, hold the mini in your left hand, then hold the heel of your right hand up against the heel of your left hand, all while the right elbow is also on your table (or use your thighs instead, but that will make you into a hunchback). Adds some stability there.
Breathing does help, and yes, laying off the coffee/sugary drinks helps too.
Thanks guys I appreciate all the advice, Ill have to fure sure try painting the eyes first on my next masters of the chapter model.