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I'm building an IG army (Cadians) and since I have a part of it done, I'd like to start painting. I have a scheme in mind, but as I'm totally new to painting, some advice would be appreciated.
I would like the armor red like Blood Ravens have and fatigues in a dark reddish brown tone. Accesories and the like will be black, leather, silver, etc.
A bit like Cadian Firedrakes, but their scheme looks too bright to me. I have also made a quick reference picture in the Army Painter that comes with Dark Crusade - here.
Any advice would be great, but what I'd like you to help with most is which colours to buy. I don't want to buy something that can be easily substituted or tons of shades that would cost me more than the army has so far. I was thinking some 10-12 colours (washes included) would be just fine.
This is my list so far, please look into it and feel free to suggest changes:
- chaos black
- skull white
- boltgun metal
- blood red
- red gore
- dark flesh
- elf flesh
- snakebite leather
- badab black
- devlan mud
I'll be glad for any help you can provide
Honestly, I am not a fan of the scheme. The current colors seem to blend together to well. Not enough contrast between the cloth and the armor.
I would almost recommend a deeper brown for the fabrics, and maybe even a slightly brighter red for the armor.
Just my opinion though.
I agree with Marxus on the color blending, on the tabletop they will look very monotone, the one suggestion I can give is instead of doing solid colors, make a camo pattern for the clothe (maybe black tiger stripes?) just enough to maintain the colors you wanted but with the extra color there will be a much needed break between the armor and clothe.
As far as your paint list goes it looks pretty good and I can't think of any needed additions at the moment.
While I think Red armour on Cadians looks great, you definitely need some lighter fabrics to add contrast. Otherwise, as both posters above said, everything tends to blend together on the tabletop and there will be nothing to make your army stand out. I would go with a lighter, beige khaki-style colour. With red and black, it's a great scheme but doesn't look too out of place on a battlefield.
Spraypaint undercoat is definitely necessary:
Regular paints you will want:
You could get rid of Codex Grey and mix it yourself using White/Black. Similarly, you could get rid of Blazing Orange and just use a Blood Red/Elf Flesh mix. Don't forget to shake your Washes thoroughly before use, or they will leave a slightly shiny sheen after drying. It's also a good idea to thin your paints a little with clean water, as it allows the pigment to flow better and leaves less brush stroke marks.
And I would paint the following bits like so, on a white undercoat:
1. Tallarn Flesh basecoat
2. Wash with Ogryn Flesh
3. Highlight with Tallarn Flesh again, leaving the previous was in the recesses
4. Final small highlights with Elf Flesh (eyebrows, nose, chin, cheekbones).
1. Mechrite Red basecoat
2. Baal Red wash
3. Cover panels with Blood Red, leaving the recesses between armour panels darker
4. Final thin highlights on some edges with Blazing Orange - don't overdo it or your armour will look orange! Small, sparse highlights are the key here
5. Small details like the Imperial Eagle on the chest, basecoat with Codex Grey, then cover with Skull White
1. Chaos Black basecoat
2. Paint metal bits in Boltgun Metal, but leave things like casing in black
3. Wash metal in Badab Black
4. Highlight metal edges with Mithril Silver
5. Highlight casing edges with Codex Grey
1. Khemri Brown basecoat
3. Cover larger areas with Kommando Khaki, leaving the darker brown in recesses and folds
3. Wash with Devland Mud
4. Highlight the edges of folds, elbows, collars, knees and such with Khaki with a [i]small/i] amount of Skull White added
Hope that helps
Thank you all for your replies. You're right there's little contrast in the scheme, but I thought that would be ok for use in "red" environment (Mars like desert for example).
On the other hand there is of course the overall look of the minis, and they probably wouldn't look too interesting or good.
The idea with darker brown on the fatigues isn't bad, it looks a bit better and there's more contrast while still retaining the idea of not being too bright. I have thought about using camo patterns, but painting them on dozens of minis could prove a bit of a challenge for me, yet.
Thanks very much for your comprehensive post, Ravendove, that's much more than I hoped for. The step-by-step guide for particular parts is great
I guess I could go with the scheme you proposed, at least until I get more skill and models. Just one more question, what do you think of Marxus' idea with darker brown clothes?
If that armour red is too bright, skip the Orange highlight altogether and use Blood Red as your edge highlight. A darker wash than Devlan Mud would also be better. For example:
1. Mechrite Red basecoat.
2. Devlan Mud wash.
3. Mechrite Red overcoat, leaving the recesses darker.
4. Edge highlight with Blood Red.
The darker brown could definitely work. If you're looking for a more gritty, darker style of Imperial Guard army fighting on muddy battlefields then this would probably work better. The darker brown on the model above (pouches, straps, holster) was done as following:
1. Scorched Brown basecoat.
2. Bestial Brown overcoat.
3. Devlan Mud wash.
4. Kommando Khaki edge highlights (Snakebite Leather would also work, but would produce a crisper, brighter highlight)
The best thing you can do is to get a few spare models and use them to test a variety of colour schemes until you find one you're happy with.
The scouts look very nice, I have just seen them in the other thread and hope to see more of the chapter soon.
Yes, I guess I'd like the armor a little bit darker, so I'll go with this second method you posted, as well as the brown for the uniforms.
Thanks again for your help
I just wanted to say I'm still alive and the advice I've been so kindly given wasn't in vain. Thing is, I'm rather slow with painting and assembling the minis, life and other hobbies are getting quite in the way
Recently I've almost finished two guardsmen, so I'm posting a photo. A few more are waiting to have some last steps done, so I'll have like 4 minis done in the near future
I quite like how the scheme came out (big thanks again, Ravendove), so I'll probably stay with this. I've made the skin a bit darker and without bright highlights, as I wanted them to have a bit darker skin tone. Also the aquilae and skulls are boltgun metal + badab black. As for the other minis, I'm planning to paint one shoulderpad black on heavy weapon guys and maybe something on sergeant's shoulder, also black.
Zoomed like this there can be seen many white spots and flaws. I'll get to correct these, eventually. And I should do the highlights on black, but right now I don't have grey at hand, so that'll have to wait. Oh, and the "blood" on the bayonet won't be there, or will be replaced with something realistic as soon as I try some of those great blood tutorials.
The paintjob isn't great, I think I have to practice mainly highlights, because I suck in that. I tried drybrushing kommando khaki on the uniforms, but it could be much better. Hopefully by the time I finish this squad it would be better and maybe after the whole battleforce "quite ok"
Here's the pic. Not great quality, but should be good enough as an example.
Comments and critique are of course welcome.
Last edited by morhathol; February 13th, 2011 at 00:23. Reason: bad image link
Looks like a Mars or a Forgeworld regiment of some sort. Like it. I think you should use Thraka Green instead of devlan mud - green inkwashes work very very well over mechrite red.