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So im also new to this forum, my name is Dallas (not ddav hehehe thats my uni email its just convenient.) Im new to painting and i have been going through some 200 threads over a period of 3 or so hours. Mostly on the train.
Heres a quick sample of my spears.
I primed with white and then base coated with mythril silver. I didnt thin the paints at all. This is where i am in dire need of all the tips you guys can give me! Im such a noob and i kinda suck at painting. There are very few threads relating to high elves, and lots of general tips.
So just wondering what you guys think in terms of tips on dry brushing, highlighting (lining? Im not sure what thats called) and any tips on how to use a brush properly? Both general and specific. That would be great! I also purchased a halogen desk lamp so now the work space all all nice and bright!
Last edited by ddav6108; December 1st, 2010 at 09:33.
Start simple, if you keep your colors few and accurate you will have good tabletop models. Use the Army book for references on color schemes.
Admit to yourself that your models are probably not going to be anywhere near the calilber they have int he army books and you will save yourself a lot of greif and stress.
Chainmail looks good, I personally prime black simply becasue if i miss an area i have black showing instead of white and it looks like shadow. Sometimes though if you plan on using lighter colors (HE and Tyranids, then white is better.
I would Paint your tunic color next, followed by your browns (boots, spear shafts, bows, etc...)
Then paint your faces, may want to avoid eyes to start as this can be a real pain to get right.
Lastly go back and touch up each model.
make sure you use an old bruch or one you dont care about if you are going to drybrushg.
The "lining" your referring to, I believe you are talking about highlighting, which for a lot of people is pretty hard. If you want to give your models some "pop" details. Take your drybrush and get VERY little paint, alomst none at all, and drybrush the model very LIGHTLY.
So for example on your chainmail, you can drybrush very lightly mithral silver, it will "highlight" all the edges. You can do the same with the tunics, say you decide to paint them ultramarine blkue, take ice blue( or some lighter shade and do the same).
Laslty, practice practice practice.
PS if you mess up something really bad, take a clean brush dip it in water and paint over the mess up ASAP, this will lift the paint off before it drys on to the model and then you can try again. ( I do this a lot with my faces LOL)
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Hey mate, welcome to the forum.
First off- looks like you're not going too badly. You've got one colour on at it seems to be more or less where you want it and not too thick. Thinning the paint with water IS a good idea but we'll let you off because you're new. Thinning of paints is something to practice- if you thin too much you end up trying to paint with water and it flows all over the place and is annoying. You're trying to get a consistency where the paint moves smoothly from the brush but doesn't flow around the model. Like I say, takes some experience.
For your next step with your models now, I would probably use a wash. Washes are a really thin paint used to create shading through the appearance of shadow. Basically you chuck on a darker colour, it flows in to the creases and recesses and makes the model look cool. GE do a range of washes that I quite like and work really well, or alternatively you can create your own by mixing paints together and thinning it with a lot of water (put a drop of dish-washing liquid in your water pot too- that helps the wash flow better). If you're just stating I would maybe pick up GWs blue and black washes. I would then mix them in equal parts of your pallette/tile/paint surface and thin slightly before painting it all over where you've done the metal already. 1 drop blue: 2 drops black : 1 drop water will probably do it. This will make the armour look really nice and not quite so uniform and plasticky.
Next step would be paint the robes and sleeves and bits of cloth under the metal armour. It's up to you what colour you use but the High Elf army book (and the internet) will have lots of ideas. Whatever you choose, paint that colour carefully over the cloth, taking care to avoid getting paint on the armour. With that done you can apply a wash over the cloth too, using the corresponding wash colour, again to create some shading. If you want to be really good, once the wash has dried go back with your original cloth colour and repaint the most raised areas of the cloth, the tops of folds and things like that. This emphasises the shading effect by leaving it dark in the recesses because of the wash but lighter on the raised areas. This is the 'highlighting' technique that you've heard about. You can even mix a little white in with your base cloth colour and use that to paint just the very edges of the most raised areas. The more layers you do the longer it takes and the more fiddly the painting. If you're just starting out and want units done, I'd stick to '3-colour' shading; shade, base and highlight.
It will be the same deal with the skin and faces. Carefully paint in the skin colour, when it's dry put a wash over it then go back and carefully bick out the raised areas with a slightly lighter flesh colour- usually the nose, chin and cheek bones.
Getting the gist of it? Painting nice looking units isn't hard but it does take a bit of patience and care. From what you've done so far it looks like you'll be doing well in no time! Then you can start learning about the really fancy painting stuff just in time to get really stuck in to your hero models!
No more NG spearmen, thanks! Now I need some pump-wagons!
Thanks guys, ive been practicing and getting some okay results. i even tried mixing my own black ink. I seemed to have gotten thinning down.
I will post some pics over the weekend and hope for some more tips
Welcome to the forums man. I'm a fairly new guy myself. I joined years back but only started posting a few weeks ago. But thats by the by.
Firstly, I've given you some rep for being brave enough to post some pictures of your work at such an early stage. It takes guts to do that man.
Secondly. Your painting from what I can see in the images isn't too bad at all. Based solely on what you have there, I would suggest a good gauge for how well you are doing is if you have gotten much chainmail paint in the recesses of the armour or not (and even so, please bear in mind that this is pretty normal and its VERY common practice to go back and 'touch up' with a wash or something.
More experienced painters than myself might be able to give you better information, But I think maybe a blue wash might go well over the armour before you highlight it. That will darken the recesses and give you a nice shine on the metal parts. Might be worth a go.
The advice I have to offer is very general.
1.) Do not be swayed or put off. Some of the images painters post on here can be VERY intimidating. There are some incredibly talented and experienced guys who post on here and some of their work makes me want to breakdown and weep! haha. But everyone begins somewhere and the only way you will improve is by trial and error.
2.) Practice practice practice!!
3.) Don't be afraid to post your work here. The community on Librarium is very positive and encouraging. And will readily offer good and honest constructive criticism on both the bits that might need work AND the good points. I certainly suffer from tunnel vision with my minis. I stare at them for hours and hours and hours while painting until the only things I can see are the negative things. It's always good to get a second oppinion.
Ist a great, productive and fullfilling hobby mate. Get stuck right in and enjoy it!
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welcome to the forums!
As the other gentlemen stated before me, you have a good start there. From the pics I think your paintjob is very precise and not sloppy at all, which is positive. I'm not repeating what others have said, bhadaway says very reasonable things and The Paint Monkey is a very proficient painter and advises wisely.
What I will add is this: try to plan ahead. I mean, decide how you want your army to look like - this will of course influence how you'll be painting them. You want them fair and shiny then you prime white and go with a lighter palette, you want them more on the grim side you prime black and pick darker colours. When I first got into the hobby I underestimated the importance of primer, but I found out that it influences the colours you paint on it pretty heavily.
Decide your colour scheme: High Elves are one of the most élite forces of the game and work terrific with a colour scheme that is consistent throughout the army. I'd advise you not to pick too many colours as that could end up in messy models. For example you could choose one main colour and a secondary one that contrasts/goes along with the primary. Plus of course the colours for the details (pouches, sheaths etc). I myself am painting my elves blue/light blue and am trying to keep my palette as limited as possible in the blue area because I want my models to give a cold and tidy impression.
Last but not least, the bases. Spend a bit of time on those and don't neglect them! They really help with the final look of the model. A LOT.
Keep up the good job, and post some pics of your progress if you fancy. Btw nice conversion for that champ
Hahaha, thanks everyone for the great tips. I have been reading all the tutorials and other posts on painting religiously. So i tried my hand at some touching up and putting some darker wash into the reccesses and yeah, it makes a great difference. As with the highlight i think my stuff looks a bit dodgy but i think it might be okay. So i have taken all of your advices on board and I am about to put a movie on and start painting again! I hope to have some pics up tomorrow and see what you guys think. I also hope to be able to contribute a bit more to the forums in other ways heheh
So thanks again for the great advice everyone!
Oh and as an aside my champion was an accident... I was washing my models and rather embarrasingly i was out side. So i decided to get a hose and i didnt realize that the pressure was really high and he went flying out of my hand and i never found him. So i had to get a set of spare legs from my white lion chariot, a really old breast peice from a silver helm and everything else is from the spearmen sprue. but yeah i think he looks kinda cool after all
Welcome to the forums...
Apart from the wealth of information that you've no doubt already got, the only thing i would say is practice practice practice.... when I am trying a new technique i usually get a mini that i'm not so fussed about and play around on that so i get it down...
My personal favorite thing to do is to get a nice metal miniature.. that way once you're done you could always throw it in paint stripper and start again... for me, it means i'm not wasting money
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I finished off the champ. But i cant figure out how to get that black look between chinks in the scale mail armour on the spearmen. Anyone know how to do it? Any help would be great!