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Recently I've been sitting down and trying to get somewhere with my Ork army, and it is quickly getting nowhere! I just don't seem to get the whole painting side of the hobby, and while it's not my favorite part I would like to have a decent tabletop painted army as it would be great to look at and well, for me a huge accomplishment!
I was wondering what would be best to try and find some advice on decent table top painting guides? I know I should just go to my local store, but i'd rather try to learn it on my own during my own time. I've been looking around on this forum but it seems to be for the more experienced higher end painters. Not for a person who doesn't even really understand what highlighting means! Haha
So I guess my question is where would you guys recommend me beginning with painting? I have all of the equipment, just lack of knowledge on how to go about it. Is the How to Paint Citadel Miniatures book worth it? Or any other book? Maybe any good youtube videos that I haven't found?
I'm starting to think that Bad Moonz Orks was the worst possible start for a new warhammer 40k player haha Thanks for reading, and thanks for your help!
I purchased the How To Paint Citadel Miniatures book, and I must say, helpful though it is, I have learnt much more off forums such as LO, Dakka, etc. Everything you could possibly want to know is available on the internet, and you will always find people willing to share their techniques. Have search through the forums, you will be able to find pretty everything. A hint for you if you want to get your army painted quickly - washes are your friends (basecoat + wash usually is decent enough for the tabletop). Use them!
Hey, we're glad to give out basic help, too - you've just gotta ask!
What's giving you trouble, specifically? Are you OK with at least blocking out the major colours and need help refining? Looking for a quick walkthrough on basic terminology and technique?
Give us something concrete to work with, and we can go from there!
(FYI: Go shine a lamp over something on your desk and take a look. The edges and some parts of the open areas will catch the light more than others and appear lighter... Those are the highlights, and highlighting is just trying to reproduce them in paint.)
Hey guys thanks for the quick replies already! Alan the basecoat + wash seems pretty bland is it effective though? I'm attempting to due bad moonz, and the basecoat of iyanden darksun is somewhat ugly, could a simple coating of wash brighten it up a bit?
Wraith- the little FYI definitely cleared up highlighting as i look over models it seemed like they were just picking random spots to make brighter (especially Ork skin) but now it makes more sense. Would I have to put every model under a light to get the correct highlighting? Or is there a general rule of thumb for which spots are essential?
I guess overall I could use some clarification of words such as drybrushing, highlighting, inks vs. washes (and how they differ) and possibly even color blending? I'm not sure when to use any of the techniques and I'm having trouble figuring out a simple method to pump out a few hundred orks haha .
This is probably a bit much and I don't need one person to clarify all of these, just maybe some basics? I don't want to be demanding I just would like to try and make my Orks look better and I know practicing is the only way to get better, but if I'm practicing the wrong skills then am I really accomplishing anything? Haha Maybe pictures of my finished Orks would help?
I suggest if you want to use basecoat + wash don't make the base iyanden darksun. What is the colour you are working up to? Let's say it is Bad Moons Yellow. Paint the yellow bits bad moons yellow, and make sure to get a solid basecoat. A few layers may be required for this. Remember two or three thin coats is better than one thick one - thick coats obscure detail. Then when you have solid coat of the yellow, wash it (probably devlan mud, but im not totally sure, not having worked with yellow too much). This will give you the shading starting off with a darker basecoat would have, with much less effort. You can then reapply the basecoat to raised areas if you wish, and the result is quite pleasing.
To clarify some of those definitions:
Highlighting - Using a lighter colour to give the impression of light reflecting off of raised areas. For example, for my blood angels, I basecoat Blood Red and then highlight the raised sections and edges blazing orange. I then proceed to highlight the very extremities vomit brown. With green you can work up from dark angels green to snot green, and then to scorpion green, etc. Mixing colours to create a midpoint may be helpful if you find your highlight is too strong or not strong enough.
Drybrushing - a method used to place paint on only the raised areas of a model. Handy for quick highlighting but creates a slightly 'dusty' effect that may be undesirable on some models. Get some pain on your brush, then brush it off onto a tissue or some paper until there is barely any paint left on the brush, and you have to brush quite hard to leave any colour. Then vigourously brush the areas of the model which you want to add the colour to. A word of warning! This quickly mangles up brushes so don't use your best for this.
I can't help you with inks and washes. When I started Warhammer they were phasing out their inks range, and I have only really used washes.
Hope I helped
When you need to pump out dozens of orks, and if you just want tabeltop worthy looking models I think dry brushing is the way to go. especially for the green, I know as I have done it.
Dry brushing is also a fairly forgiving beginners technique, as it often shows the highlights by itself.
As an example this squig here was painted in 1 hour, I started by painting it a dark blue, and then drybrushed it with lighter shades of blue, so the dark areas where the brush coulden't reach are where shadow would fall naturally.
I dry brushed with 4 coulors but for orks you can go with less.
hope this helps.
ps. do the areas that you want dry brushed, first.
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Washes will never brighten or lighten an area.. A Wash is a semi transparent color that is used to tint a base color in a couple ways. It stains the surface areas, and catches in the recesses to produce an even darker shadow stain.
First thing first.. Make sure you are good at getting your desired base colors on the designated surfaces.
I can't stress enough how important it is to thin the paint before you apply it.. The paint should flow smoothly off the brush, and not leave any brush strokes behind after pulling the brush across the surface.
Work on blacklining your minis. This is done by leaving a fine black line between two different colors.
From there a wash can be applied based on the colors you have chosen for your base colors. Thraka Green for your greens, devlin mud for your browns, etc.
Highlights are done in different ways. Edging, layering and wet blending.. As it is, I am still working on layering, and am still only using a three color layer.
Fellow Ork player, definitely know where you're coming from. Limited painting time plus hundreds of models to do...
The problem I had was that I was thinning the paint down, then putting a lot on the brush, and trying to paint with that. Bad idea. It wasn't quite as thin as a wash, but it tended to flow to low spots, which ain't generally what I had in mind. Guy down at the store showed me his technique - transfer some paint to your palette with the butt end of your brush, mix some water in from the palette, get some on your brush, then wipe a good amount of it off, on the palette. The idea was to get to the point that your brush would paint a thin line that didn't run or bead; at that point you can put some paint on the model, get the advantage of it going on thin, but staying exactly where you put it. 'course, you've got to go back to the palette for more paint pretty often, so don't try to paint your trukk like that... but for the fine details like teef or horns, it's a treat.
One of the things to keep in mind is that painting a color directly is -hard-. It takes a lot of layers and a good amount of discipline to get a nice, even coat (and that goes triple for yellow, since yellow paint is apparently the worst color for nice, even coverage). But if you put a shade that's between your base coat and your final color onto the area, it's a good bit easier. Say you're using a black base coat. Going straight to bright yellow is going to come out blotchy, or with too-thick paint if you don't have superhuman discipline. But if you start with a coat of a light brown (say, Vomit Brown?), then the yellow is going to look a lot more even. Or you can use a darker yellow to start, then a brighter one over that. Works like that for all the colors - dark blue then lighter blue, dark red then lighter red, boltgun metal before chainmail, etc. Even for teeth, a light brown is a good base before your bone and white colors.
Washes are great stuff. They can take an area that's only so-so and make it look like a much nicer job. Devlan Mud and Badab Black are great for dulling down your color, settling in the crevices and making the detail on the model really pop out; you can get a similar effect with lots of skill and careful highlighting, but since I don't have lots of skill... ;p Badab Black on your metal, Devlan Mud on anything that's supposed to look a little dirty. Thraka Green can help on the skin (though it'll tend to make your orks a little shiny). I've been using Devlan Mud and Gryphonne Sepia on dark leather pants - they take my indifferent paint job and even it out a lot.
Don't get frustrated. A lot of players prefer to play with and against painted armies, but I haven't found anyone who complains that your boyz aren't all done yet.
Hey all thanks for the great responses! It's given me a lot better idea of what I'm doing and I've realized a lot of mistakes I made when it came to painting, such as applying too much at one time, not doing multiple (thin!) layers, and highlighting and dry brushing make a lot more sense. This is great! However, I do have two last questions... well hopefully last
1) In regards to Marxus's comment, blacklining, seems very interesting considering I have shaky hands and my colors always get on each other and looks a bit sloppy when closely looked at. But you suggest leaving a black line in between EVERY color change? Such as the leather bindings on the Ork, the skin and the shirt, the pants and the shirt?
2) Washes, the more I read about them the more I feel like I'm using them wrong. I usually give my orks a nice coat of Devlan Mud at the end to make 'em look a little dirtier, since they are Orks after all! But should I be doing them on the lower stages of painting? Rather than finishing with the wash? Should I be applying a wash in between every color coating?
Thanks all again, I've been having a lot more fun today painting then I normally do haha and its all thanks to your guy's advice!
P.S. I didn't feel like starting another thread, because I have no idea where this question would go. But I have 30 Ork shoota boyz assembled and primed, and I'm just starting to realize how much easier it is to paint them without the arms on! I saw that acetone (nailpolish remover is all i have) breaks the glue bond pretty easily, but will it destroy the miniature as well? I already broke 2 orks in half trying to get their arms off, so until I figure out an easier way I'm going to just let them sit there in there black primer color -_- hahah thanks again!
Last edited by shabang22; December 23rd, 2010 at 00:35.
I like assembling before painting, but it really is a matter of taste. Way I figure it, anything I have trouble getting a paintbrush at, I'm going to have trouble SEEING, so I don't obsess over detail of obscured areas. (Wait until you're painting lootas...)
As far as washing, what I normally see is base coat > up to the color you're going for > wash > highlight with the color you're going for > fine highlight with a brighter color. You shouldn't be washing it at more than one step, really. But when you add wash, it dulls the color, so you're now darker; highlighting with the color you just washed over is a good way to contrast the darker shaded areas to the brighter highlights. (It's also a lot easier to wash an entire area than to be super-selective with where you're putting the wash, since it's a thin liquid and will flow all over the place.)
But nobody says you have to do it that way, especially with Orks. You can paint up to a bright color, hit it with the wash, and leave it like that; Orks are not notorious for having large colonies of detergent-squigs, so faded and dirty colors aren't a problem really. Not a lot of people do lots of highlighting on every - last - ork in a horde, after all.
I dunno about black-lining. Makes a lot of sense for regular, neat, hard surfaces like Space Marine armor or tanks, but not so much for orks... Then again, my own hands aren't nearly steady enough to pull it off anyway, so maybe that's just my own opinion.