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I really want a model that has a pose like valten's, like he's grabbing something, yet, because it is for my vamp, the stupid lion head and his dammed cloak with chainmail imprinted on it. His legs are a problem too. If you can't find one plz tell me how to be-head metal models for conversion (preferably without greenstuff, a cheap thing similar to it will be nice though)
Generally i want to either find something else, or find out how to chop of bits of metal. Also, any ideas for replacing taht stupid lion head? Also, I want to know how to shave off the legs from the horse without breaking them. PS: any ideas for making the dammed cloak dead like and un chain mailed?
Btw, i'm talking about this valten:
so, just incase u thought i was talking about the leaning one.
I hope you people will answer to this one, cause I didn't get much from the thread of the blood dragon conversion
BTW, I am converting a vampire taht is riding on a winged nightmare, sothe legs would have to be compatible.
THNX in advance
His head's pretty stuck in there but with an appropriately-sized hand saw (like a jewellers saw or the ones GW sell, though they're overpriced like everything else) you could carefully saw it out and file away his hair. Transplant a vampire head in and use greenstuff to fill the gap by sculpting new hair. If the legs won't make it around his mount you could hack them off too and stick the Blood Dragon vampire's legs on, except the armor won't exactly mesh. Anyway, use a hobby saw. Clippers can be too messy.
Last edited by Zanzibar; August 11th, 2005 at 10:21.
Thanks, Zanzibar, do you know where I can get a good one? (meaning the saw)
Another thing i'm worried about is the head (again). If i hack it off, will the vampire head fit on well, and if it doesn't how to i fix it?
Also, any ideas for what to replace the dammed lion head?
While we're at it, are there any models that are alive that u know has a large bit of shirt sticking out and curves down and also bends his head down? I need it too... :mad:
Also, is there anything else that is similar to green stuff and is cheaper and where cna i get that?
Last edited by THE.; August 11th, 2005 at 04:17.
I would simply say buy the GW one from the website, but that's because I have no money sense whatsoever. I would check with your local hobby store (if it's not a GW) as they usually stock tools if they sell Warhammer (my pin vice set was $12 Canadian because it wasn't GW ). I have no idea how good jewellers saws are as I've only heard of them being recommended but they sound expensive to me. Somebody with more experience will tell you more. As for me, I use a regular-sized hack saw with a regular-sized (i.e. too large) blade because I haven't yet shelled out for a hobby one. This works (I recently cut the heads off a bunch of Necromunda Escher gangers, and they're not exactly large models), though you'll have to be careful doing it as the blade is quite wide. This method also leads to a good deal of fiddly filing to smooth everything out. Still, if you have one, give it a go.Originally Posted by THE.It would help to know which head you're using (the one from the Winged Nightmare vampire I assue) but it probably will fit. Vampire models aren't any bigger than human ones and if your vamp's wearing a helmet, it should fit right in with the armor. If he's not then it might look a bit small (unless he has a lot of hair) but that won't necessarily be a bad thing as Valten's armor is bulky. As for fitting it, simply stick it where the old one was. The problem with custom head swapping is that all the filing and sawing almost demands that you use green stuff to fill in the gaps, else it will look shoddy and weird. You might want to pin it too (metal components should always be pinned), and make sure you use super glue.Originally Posted by THE.Well, something suitably scary should do it. An appropriately-sized dragon head would be perfect. My suggestion would be (and this only applies if you're NOT using the head from the Winged Nightmare vampire, mind you) that you take his head, clip and file the actual head part away so you're left with just the crest (you'll probably need to remove the dragon's tail too), clip and file the lion head from Valten's shoulder, then use your files (preferably a round one) to shape the bottom of the dragon crest (where the head use to be) to fit on the shoulder, looking out as the lion head is normally. Green stuff (or whatever) will most definitely need to be used here but I think it would look pretty cool.Originally Posted by THE.Err, I'm happy to help but I don't really understand what you're looking for here. A bit of shirt sticking out where? The collar? You might want to browse through the online store (probably the Empire or Bretonnian ranges) and see if you can't find what you want. Also, check out the Mordheim section. Lots of humans in shirts there.Originally Posted by THE.There are a bunch of products that achieve the same results. Green stuff is actually something called Kneadatite which GW repackages and sells for more money (the bastards). I use green stuff but mine's sold by Reaper Miniatures and runs me about $8 Canadian, which isn't much at all. I've also come across Milliput but that stuff is generally used for larger projects. There are other people here who could offer more advice on sculpting as I'm new to it myself.Originally Posted by THE.I can't quite see around the back of Valten but I say (if you do have the vampire from the Winged Nightmare kit) just clip it off as close to the body as you can get, file down any protruding bits that remain, and attach the ragged cloak that comes with the vamp over top. Oh, and not to be fussy, but that's scale mail he's got, not chain (sorry, that was fussy ^_^ ).Originally Posted by THE.The leg problem is solved. Use Valten's upper half, file off the nub on the bottom of his torso, cut the Blood Dragon that comes with the Winged Nightmare in half at the waist (with a saw, not clippers), and pin Valten's top to it. The armor should mesh well enough, and the paint will really tie it together, though you might need to green stuff the gap to smooth things out. My only concern is that the legs would look too scrawny next to Valten's bulky torso. If you want to try, you could sculpt armor plates over his thighs to thicken them, or maybe some cloth (from the saddle or cape or whatever) draped down them. If you think the Blood Dragon's legs won't work, and you're willing to shell out a little cash on the online store, check this Khorne lord's body out. Again, saw him in half at the waist and pin Valten to the legs. The armor looks pretty good, I think.Originally Posted by THE.
Last edited by Zanzibar; August 11th, 2005 at 11:05.
Thnx for the replies Zanzibar, u are a real help!
I'm going to use valten's legs, i'll just slice them off the horse's damned side. And yes, I am refering to the wing night mare blood dragon head, as he is the only one with a seperate head (thank god)
About the shirt thing, I actually wanted valten's extra hand to be holding some loser (or defeated champion if u like) by the cuff or whatever, with his head drooping down, cuz he lost but I don't want him to be an utterly useless person, (i.e, someone with status, that is worth being carried by a blood dragon and chopped to bits)
As for the lion head (which is acutlaly a griffon head :lol: ) I didn't really understand ur explanation about dragon heads (which wil be err a bit big), my plan (if you don't provide a better one! is to coat it with green stuff and shape it (which should be quite easy) to the following :
Checkout the blood dragon with 2 hand weapon's shoulder plates they have this bat looking feelsigh no luck for me there. The only places that stock places in HK is FA, which is even more expensive than GW :eek:I would simply say buy the GW one from the website, but that's because I have no money sense whatsoever. I would check with your local hobby store (if it's not a GW) as they usually stock tools if they sell Warhammer (my pin vice set was $12 Canadian because it wasn't GW ). I have no idea how good jewellers saws are as I've only heard of them being recommended but they sound expensive to me. Somebody with more experience will tell you more. As for me, I use a regular-sized hack saw with a regular-sized (i.e. too large) blade because I haven't yet shelled out for a hobby one. This works (I recently cut the heads off a bunch of Necromunda Escher gangers, and they're not exactly large models), though you'll have to be careful doing it as the blade is quite wide. This method also leads to a good deal of fiddly filing to smooth everything out. Still, if you have one, give it a go.
As for the scale mail or whatever, I'm going to coat it with green stuff, as I like his cloak, to cover the scales .. OR CHAIN! :lol:
Do you think making a cuff for him would be nice?
And for the base, I'm going to make the winged night carry a guy in his mouth (his head is a griffon, liek the other conversino on the GW site) and in his hand carrying components of a destroyed machine. The other hand carrying another guy. Under neath wil be a guy (the ducking one) and the remains.
But, I have yet to decide, whether to use the hell blaster or the empire great cannon
Empire cannon is better i think cuz it has more accesories. and replacing valten's hand will be brother captain stern from 40k's hand, becaue it's gauntleted and the blade is nice.
Last edited by THE.; August 11th, 2005 at 13:52.
Heh, yeah just go for that. I meant take the dragon crest off of the Blood Dragon helmet and transplant it onto his shoulder but since you're using that head it won't work.Originally Posted by THE.Then bust out that hack saw and join the ranks of over-eager converters .Originally Posted by THE.On his sleeve? Sure I do.Originally Posted by THE.The cannon is all plastic and will make for an easier conversion. Plus, it's cheaper.Originally Posted by THE.That sword is nice, you're right.Originally Posted by THE.
Hope I helped. Think you'll be able to get a picture up here once you're done?
hell yeah, but since i'm running low on cash at the moment, i'm sure it won't be done at least till christmas . But thanks alot Zanzibar (cuz u were the only one that answered! ) i will definetely post it up.
Just one more question: who will be the unfortuante victim of the blood dragon's grip? I plan to mold the bit of shirt out of green stuff but I need to know what will be a good basis for that.
Thanks again zanzibar for your great replies and help! but for the griffon head, I might just do a dark paintjob to make him look raven-ish, don't want to screw up all the good ideas, do i? :lol:
btw, for the griffon head, should i hack it off and do the blood dragon thing or should I just coat it?
Last edited by THE.; August 13th, 2005 at 15:41.
The vamp's victim could be this unfortunate Marienburger from the Mordheim range (the one with the buckler and sword). You could have your Blood Dragon grabbing those straps around his neck. The pose and face make it look like he's being pulled forward.
As for the griffon head, if you're using the Blood Dragon head from the Winged Nightmare vampire then you can't really cut the crest off his helmet without him looking goofy. A dark paint job would work well and is really simple. If you want to embellish it a bit, try adding horns. It would look vaguely dragonish without all the messy cutting.
Oh, and you're welcome . I'm always interested in cool conversions and ideas and I'm happy to help.
It sounds as a really cool conversion! I have been reading the posts but I didnt tip anything cuz Im not that experienced converter.
Im looking forward to see it anyways
Last edited by Da Mighty Camel; August 13th, 2005 at 21:57.
Thnx for ur help everybody! I will just paint it with a dark paint thing (problem is i'm not awesome at painting). I love the unlucky dude! he's perfect , thanks again zanzibar, and you too da all mighty camel!