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I'm not sure if this is quite the right forum for this or not, but I figured this would be a fun thread.
In addition to the armies I actually collect and paint, I often enjoy playing with or fighting armies that I don't particularly want to spend the time or money to actually make, or maybe to throw some variety into my lists by subing in an unorthodox unit or creature that I don't actually own. The end result of this, of course, is proxying, counts as, whatever you want to call it. Obviously in some cases you could just use a friend's army, or borrow a similar looking model from another army and call it a whatever...but what about when you want something really different, or maybe you're just sitting at home, playing with yourself or your family, and your personal collection isn't sufficient. What sort of funny, cheap substitutes for actual painted Warhammer models have you used? I know I have tons of junk around from my (younger) childhood that I've used in all sorts of ways, to be all sorts of armies. Some of my favorites:
- To have a battle with Skaven one day, I ran out to a party supply shop and bought about a hundred cheap, plastic rats of various sizes (you know, the kind you'd slip into somebody's sleeping bag or something). I think the cashier there was a bit startled, wondering wtf I planned to do with all those rats. I'm not sure if he would've been comforted or even more disturbed if he'd known, but the resulting battle actually looked pretty funny, though the scale of the rats was of course somewhat off.
- A constant favorite of mine is plastic/rubber dinosaurs. I was quite the dinosaur fanatic when I was around age 8, and in addition to the massive ones who can serve as carnivores, dragon ogres, or other truly monsterous beasts, I somehow managed to wind up with about eighty assorted plastic dinosaurs of perfect dimensions for Warhammer, taking up about as much space as a 25mm based model, plus a selection of ten to twenty about ogre-sized dinos. These have served as Orcs, Beasts of Chaos, extra Lizardmen - you name it, pretty much. Fun little proxy army, and I'm actually seriously considering seeing if I can find another big cheap bunch of similarly sized tiny dinosaurs to expand the possibilities.
- Lego men aren't really quite numerous enough to be regiments in large games, at least not if I want to limit myself to the midieval flavored ones as opposed to subbing in guys with sunglasses and t-shirts or police uniforms, but they make a nice little customizable skirmish army (Or Mordheim?) and perfect heroes, especially with their customizable weapon options, armors, heads, and horses (including barding - I have two fancy, decorated pieces of lego horse barding from somewhere). Combined with plastic army men for rank-and-file, I've been able to make a hefty Imperial proxy army for a few games as well. A tan guy with an M-16 doesn't quite capture the feel of a line of handgunners, but you make do with what you can get.
- War machines, chariots, etc. are also great uses for the basic legos. Same with terrain - I've built some pretty cool barricades/walls/towers etc. out of basic lego building bricks, and you can even design them so you can flip open the top and move models inside etc.
- Another nice trick for legos is to keep track of the unit size of proxy armies that don't correspond well to base sizes or you don't have the right numbers of for a 1:1 ratio with the warhammer figures. I have a huge bunch of the tiny two-pip lego rectangles from various sources (or actually some of them are from a lego rip-off brand, but function interchangeably), and I stack them up on the little long two-wide thin lego strips to act as a basic unit counter and to show ranks (each stack is a rank). Also works well for tracking the wounds of multi-wound models, even painted GW ones.
So...share your 40 dollar temp army ideas! Kinda the opposite of a lot of the fancy conversions being talked about here, but hey, sometimes you just wanna have fun with an army for one night.
that is alot more creative then my shamefull proxying, when i proxied for my dwarfs, i ranked some square bases on a photocopier and photocopied them. then when they died i took a marker and cross out the square.
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I don't exactly call this a "proxy" as it has what you see. I was In my buddies basement and had just fiished converting a tau hammer head. my friend wanted it to use as a wave serpent so he traded me a land raider and a rhino(I know a Great deal!) for the converted hammer head. later on when i begin my space wolves I decide to add a vindicator to my list. Then I thought i had the rhino and my brother had a Demolisher cannon bit. so I bought it off him for $2 and glued it to the part of the rhino where the drop in the front is toward the right side and it looks pretty good. So I am cheap in that i got a $2 vindicator.
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I can't stop you from using Lego armies at home, but if you were to walk into my last gaming store with such a contraption, the guys would have broken both of your knees and dumped your body in the Monterey Bay. :rolleyes:
For a good deal of us this is more than just a game, it's a hobby. When something becomes a hobby you take a lot more pride and respect in what you do with it, so when you line up lego's against someone who took a couple years to convert and paint his army, then you might face a little friction.
The only time that I really don't mind using cheap stuff to proxy an army is if you are just testing that army out to see if you really want to invest in it or not. Even then, I've never seen anyone do it at the store. They usually play their proxy games at home in order to decide what they want.
I'm not trying to rub you the wrong way, I'm just warning you not to walk into your local gaming store with a green plastic lizardman army. You might not have much dignity left when you come back out.
Uhm, I have a collection of over 8k of painted/assembled models from about a year of being involved in Warhammer, and my close family has about another 4k. Of course it's no substitute to use proxy stuff, but I think it's a very useful concession to the fact that everyone does NOT have infinite time, money, or even interest to paint every single army they might enjoy gaming with. I guess it partly comes down to how much you enjoy WH as a game/story, and how much as an art project - I absolutely love the painting and hobbying part of it, but to me that's also not even close to all the game and world offers. I don't like being stopped from including, say, Skaven in my group's games, campaigns, storylines etc. just because nobody nearby happens to like painting little humanoid rats.
Guess it all depends what you want to take out of the hobby...
My friend proxyd a High Elves lord on a Griffon with a Orc Warboss on a Wyevrn.....
My favourite is that TSoaLR-strip where they fight a Carnifex that is a soda-can
i cant proxy, i just can't...maybe i have no imagination but for me it is wysiwyg or nothing..i can't play with unpainted minis either
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I'm not sure if this is proxying but my freind printed out a dwarf army on the right scale then put tabs the size of bases on to help them stand up.P.S. He printed them on card in black &white.
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