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Ok, how on earth do I assemble the pewter figurines???!??!?
I've tried everything- modelling glue, PVA, Rubber Cement, Hot Glue Guns, even Regular Glue, and so far the only thing I can get to cure and successfully bond to the metal itself is Epoxy, which is messy, imprecise, overly time consuming, and Can't Possibly be the right way of doing it. So, what mythical substance is missing from my arsenal that can bond successfully to metal, and cures with either a) low amounts of it present, or b.) within a short period of time? Preferrably both, but right now, I'd be satisfied with one or the other, as both are a step up from Epoxy.
Thank you guys so much for any and all help, I'm about ready to scream and give up ever using metal figurines, it's just too hard and frusturating!!!!!
(I suppose I should point out I've never Ever modelled before, and have only just learned how to play Warhammer 40k 6 days ago, but still.... I need help.......)
I pin all of the joints in the figure (unless it is all plastic). Then I glue brass rods to help add strength to the joint. I use Zap A Gap (gel) with good success. Usually I will use a 2 part epoxy on large heavy things - like dragons!
If you problem is holding the pieces together while it dries - that is an entirely different matter. Sometimes with the pins you can get a tight enough fit where it will hold on its own, sometimes the two pieces are positioned as such that you can use rubber bands to hold the pieces together. If that is not the case there really isn't a whole lot you can do other than hold the joints together until the glue bond is strong enough to hold it. You could try something like blu tac to temporarily hold the pieces together. You may end up gluing a bit of it to the model though so if you go this route think about the posibility of a little cleanup.
Ok, I hate to be annoying, so forgive me, but some of those terms I don't understand.
Zap a Gap I assume is a specific type of glue, in gel form, probably sold on its own at a hobby shop or hardware store. Very good. Blu Tac I would assume is the same thing.
What are "pins", though, and how do you use them? And Brass Rods? Do you mean you physically shove a pin like that for sewing through the model to hold the joint in place? Is there a specific type sold out there for that purpose, and if so where would it be? And how would you use "brass rods" to reinforce the joint, what are they, and how do they work?
Cleanup I can handle, I've already learned that well enough from the epoxy.
Again, sorry to be a pain, I'm just hideously new, and have never modelled before, so all of these substances, and techniques, and objects, are new to me. I really appreciate your patience, and thank you SO much for all your help. Also, thanks from my two friends, both of whom are also starting up in Warhammer 40k for the first time, for all knowledge I gain will be passed on to them!
Zap a Gap is indeed a specific brand of glue, but that's beside the point. Your "mythical substance" is just plain 'ol super glue, man. He's just referring to a thicker (gel) superglue.
Pins are both exactly what you're thinking, and also not at all. We're not generally referring to actual sewing pins or anything, it's actually usually anything from steel wire to a chunk of paperclip to thin brass rod. The idea is that glued joints can come apart fairly easily, but if there's a chunk of metal (a metal "pin", hence "pinning") in there, it's pretty well bulletproof. My particular setup consists of a small roll of 1 millimeter steel wire I found a while back, and a 1mm drill bit in a pin vise.
Simply drill a hole into the two parts (say, an arm and the shoulder of the torso), **be careful to make the holes in the same area of the two parts so they line up**. Insert a length of wire (or paperclip, whatever you use) into one side, and check that the other part fits snugly on the other end of the pin. You may have to trim the pin down if it's too long for the holes you drilled. once everything fits, glue the pin into the hole, and glue the parts to each other and the pin. Here's a quick pic:
Get it? Pinning isn't usually too necessary, but it is a nice insurance policy against parts falling off with handling and transport.:wacko:
I just use the GW super glue and saliva... seriously lol.
I built a Lord of Change with that technique, well, I think I used a little Green Stuff. The saliva makes it dry super fast... so put the saliva on one part and super glue on the other part. Slap those suckers together, and Shazaam! Its glued.... well... not necessarily that fast. But within 30 seconds.
But, thats the lazy way haha :sleep:
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A pretty good illustration of pinning was already given so I won't elaborate on that.
I use 1/16 or 1/32 brass rod that I picked up at a model railroad store for pinning. It is a bit more durable than using paperclips - but a thick paperclip will work for pinning just as well. I picked upthe Zap-a-gap from there as well though any hobby/craft store should carry it.
The big reason I pin all the joints (unless it is too thin to pin - is that I work hard on all my figures and the thought of even risking a broken joint isn't worth it to me. If these are gaming figures (which it sounds like they are) I would definitely pin them. I am more of a painter than a player but even so durability to me is paramount.
Blue Tac is that blue poster board putty used to hang poster board on walls. It is great for test fitting multipart figures so might come in handy for you. I am sure you could pick it up at a local craft store or paper supply outlet.
Zap a Gap is way popular with hobby stores...it is common so you shouldnt have trouble
Blue Tac works stupendously well for positioning your plastic figures, if you cant decide
a pose, dont glue them use sticky tack so you can move your arms/legs/hands/waist
around to see what you can get. once you've decided, remove sticky tac and glue.
There are two types of glue.
Plastic to plastic.. Not really sure what they call it...and then
Metal to plastic... Not really sure what that is either but i'm sure somebody can ellaborate.
Also, your asking about pinning also brings up some basic converting.
Converting is a way to change the pose of a model. Agressive/Deffensive stances ect.
For metal miniatures use a hack saw with a small blade width. This will keep down the
actual amount you have to cut off...Even when you cut the width of the blade cuts out
For basic repositioning you pick a joint you want to twist, mark it with a (small) point pen
drawing across the joint. And make sure you leave enough blade width by cutting away
from your line that you drew. Then use a file to bring the excess down. And now you
can use the prossess of what you've been asking about you "pin" the joints back together
This is just basic converting and stuff, there's lots more knowledge around here. Just ask.
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for most models ive always found superglue sufficient, just be careful when your transporting models.. very large and complex models probably require other methods too, personally i can't be fussed with all that pinning malarkey, although ive heard that is the best way of ensuring everything holds. Get hold of some GreenStuff, its absolutely invaluable (and you can buy it from GW)
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99c store has tubs of super glue for 99c each. beats the heck out of paying 4 bucks at GW or 3 bucks at the super market.
It makes every thing stick together, even flesh ^_^ don't try the flesh thing, it's... ummm painfull and you'll loose skin.
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