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    Some new Chaos Marines in need of critique

    Just got my new camera to toy with and can finally post some pics ^_^ Here's the first batch of my army. Any comments are welcome. What you like, what you hate, what I did right or wrong, or how I might try it a little different. Thanks for looking

    Vanguard forces of the Fists of Ragnarok, a splinter army previously of the Lunar Wolves (now the Black Legion)

    Ruthkar, Daemon Prince commander of the Fists of Ragnarok
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    Pic 2
    Pic 3
    Obliterator of the Fires of Muspell division
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    Pic 2
    Pic 3
    Drokan, Aspiring Champion and leader of the Neflhiem division
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    Pic 2
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    Troopers of the Neflhiem
    Trooper 1
    Trooper 2
    Trooper 3
    Trooper 4
    Trooper 5
    Trooper 6
    Trooper 7
    Lascannon Havoc of the Muspell
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    Troopers of the Muspell
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    Trooper 2
    Trooper 3
    Trooper 4

    I think my favorite parts on Ruthkar are the bloody remains of a guardsman at his feet and the sword's blade. A couple of the Neflhiem troopers have a much darker trim because I was experimenting with different undercoat colors at the time before settling on Fortress Grey.

    Still getting the hang of the new toy, too, so the flash washed the pics out a smidge, but still came out pretty good I think.

    More photos !
    Blastmaster-wielding marine of the Siren's Scream sub-division
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    Sonic-Blaster trooper of the Siren's
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    Left-Back
    Mounted Daemonettes from the Death's Caress pack
    Daemonette 1, Front
    Daemonette 1, Back
    Daemonette 2, Front
    Nidhogg, Defiler of the Muspell (WIP)
    Look at those sexay legs!

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    They look great:w00t: The onlitorater is awesome and so are the bases. The only thing I would change is where the dude has the marinne head on the spike on his back... maybe bloody that up a bit?


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    First I must say that it is a very nice (in an evil way), dark coloursheme you've got there. I like those clasic evil colours, they reeally go well with Chaos.

    The bases are also very good and it gives so much to the overall aperence of your army.

    The painting is also good if a bit unfinished, if I may say. I think your models would benefit tremendously from having some highlights, especially on the red parts. I would use Blood Red and then Blazing Orange for the extremes. Try to make some highlights on the black parts as well, this would bring even more life to the paintjob.

    Since I have this thing for bones and flesh I cannot help myself but to comment on the Obliterator as well. I think you have done great here, they are a treat to drybrush those fleshy parts, but here too you would benefit from some extra details.
    First thing that struck me was the "lamps" on his guns and armour. They should (could) be in a different, contrasting colour. Not the same red as the armour. Try some blue or green, something you dont have in the "standard range" in your army.
    Next are those areas where the tubings/weapons/armour go into/out from the flesh. If you pay some extra attention here and paint some Blood Red/tint of Blazing Orange in the recesses, and make it look like fresh blood he will look even more intimidating. Those kinds of wounds also benefits from a Gloss Varnish (only on the blood) it makes such a difference.

    The troopers/ champion could do with a brown glaze on the horns, it could just be the pics but they look a bit...painted.

    The lascannon has a nice drybrush but it clashes a bit with the rest of the army that is painted, I suggest you to keep to one look in the army. Ashley has been very consistently drybrushing his armies to a great result, click *here*. But when it's just on one detail like this...I suggest you paint it.

    The length of my reply may indicate that I didn't like your army, but that would be wrong.
    I like what you have done, those bases again they are cruel. Just a couple of small observations that coould make it an even better army.

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    That is nto bad advcie, you painting is neat and tidy, what is lacking is highlighting/shading this is generaly done by one or more of the following techniques:
    Black lining
    drybrushing
    Dry blending
    Wet blending.

    The drybrush examples given above (from Ashley) are not bad, they are consistant which is half the trick, but a little grainey which tends to imply a little too much paint on the brush.

    What you have is excellent, fo further improvements look up and try some of the above techniquies (they are lised in dificulty order)
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    Thanks for all the comments already

    They look great The onlitorater is awesome and so are the bases. The only thing I would change is where the dude has the marinne head on the spike on his back... maybe bloody that up a bit?
    I may try adding some extra "ruined" feel to the marine head on the champ's trophy spike. It's just hard to get to now that I put the guy's horned head on Maybe some extra charred colors along the helmet's base and some long-dried blood colors dripping down the wire.

    First I must say that it is a very nice (in an evil way), dark coloursheme you've got there. I like those clasic evil colours, they reeally go well with Chaos.

    The bases are also very good and it gives so much to the overall aperence of your army.
    Thanks

    The painting is also good if a bit unfinished, if I may say. I think your models would benefit tremendously from having some highlights, especially on the red parts. I would use Blood Red and then Blazing Orange for the extremes. Try to make some highlights on the black parts as well, this would bring even more life to the paintjob.
    It's hard to see in the pictures, but all of the red trim does indeed have highlighting. It's got a drybrush of Burnished Gold that tends to make the light reflect off the edges of the armor with a gold tint that seems to go well with the colors. Likewise the armor is highlighted with Mithril Silver. The metallic highlights seem to give the armor a harder metal plating feel to me. It's hard to see in a still-pic though

    Since I have this thing for bones and flesh I cannot help myself but to comment on the Obliterator as well. I think you have done great here, they are a treat to drybrush those fleshy parts, but here too you would benefit from some extra details.
    First thing that struck me was the "lamps" on his guns and armour. They should (could) be in a different, contrasting colour. Not the same red as the armour. Try some blue or green, something you dont have in the "standard range" in your army.
    Next are those areas where the tubings/weapons/armour go into/out from the flesh. If you pay some extra attention here and paint some Blood Red/tint of Blazing Orange in the recesses, and make it look like fresh blood he will look even more intimidating. Those kinds of wounds also benefits from a Gloss Varnish (only on the blood) it makes such a difference.
    I like those ideas on the Obliterator, and I think I even have the paints and varnish on hand to give it a try. Maybe a regal blue on the lights would work well.

    The troopers/ champion could do with a brown glaze on the horns, it could just be the pics but they look a bit...painted.
    Yeah, I've not been real happy with the horns on most of them (the one that caps in a skull seems fine). I did get some various brown inks, so I can give that try.

    The lascannon has a nice drybrush but it clashes a bit with the rest of the army that is painted, I suggest you to keep to one look in the army. Ashley has been very consistently drybrushing his armies to a great result, click *here*. But when it's just on one detail like this...I suggest you paint it.
    I'm not sure what's out of place on the lascannon? All of the marines have red and gold ornamentation, as does the lascannon. And both have a black base. Both the lascannon and the rest of the army have all of thier colors beyond the base black coat drybrushed on. Could you be a little more specific about what feels out of place on the lascannon, please? My one set of eyes is just missing it. Of course, it's harder to see the drybrushing on the rest of the army in the pics, which may be the heart of the issue.

    I can try to see if I can get a little movie of a fig so you can see the metallic highlighting to full effect, but I'm not sure where I could host it. Although you can get an ok-ish look at the highlighting on the first pic of Ruthkar. At least see enough to give you an idea.
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    The bases seem to be something of a hit (Insert image of swelling head here :shifty: )

    I'm really happy with how they came out myself. I used a hobby knife to cut the lines into the base, then add three successive layers of Magenta Ink into the cracks. A fully loaded fine detail brush full of ink just naturally flows into all the cracks when you just touch the brush to the lip. Let it all dry and then drybrush some fortress grey over the base with a nicely frayed brush.

    I didn't always get the heaviness of the drybrush as consistent across the army's bases as I'd like, though individual models are fine for thier own bases. Still, I'm pleased with the results. ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xardian
    I'm not sure what's out of place on the lascannon?
    The drybrushing on the other models appear to be on much smaller areas, detail level even, but on the lascannon it is quite a large area. It's on the skull/mussel I see this. The drybrushing leaves quite a lot of the black visible and though it can be a good effect from time to time, here I find it looking a bit out of place.
    You could try to have a different base color, maybe copper or bronze instead of the black. Then the gold would be more of a shifting/highlight kind of thing.
    I feel I must say that it looks good as it stands, but it just has a very different look compared with the rest of the army.


    Quote Originally Posted by Xardian
    Maybe a regal blue on the lights would work well.
    I think it would be good. Try to paint it like one paints a jewel or gem, the crescent thing from numerous GW painting guides.

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    did you cut into the bases for the lines? did you use a cutofff wheel? looks good. your head should swell.


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    Dude, if I played that army, I would spend the entire time looking at the models and forget about the game. Good Job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomthought
    Dude, if I played that army, I would spend the entire time looking at the models and forget about the game. Good Job!
    Hmmm... seems ADD is becoming a epidemic.

    Anyhow, good job on the models. Oblt is done very nicely.

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