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Here's the rant I mentioned I was building in a different post, and now I have a spot for it!
I'm pretty new to the boards, but I've been scanning the scenery thread back a few months, and I've mostly seen human-style buildings. Before, industrial ones, 'cause they're easy to build with found materials, and i applaud everyone for your inginuity and your scavenging skills. Now, with the new building kits, no one bothers with anyhthing at all. I think for thae past few weeks, it's been grid-cities covred in template-cut foamcore or GW buildings. I'm beginning to think that these GW buildings will be the death of the scenery builder. Fewer and fewer people are going to bother making vibrant and creative scenery now that even the buildings come in boxes, that will be placed down onto a grid of more exenly laid boxes.
To borrow a phrase more applicable here than any use by the coprorate cubicle dweller:
It's time to think out of the box.
How many other races are there other than human? Is there architecture other than Imperial? Hell, yes. You just gotta build it for yourself, cause there's so little there. I can hear a whine or two from the back, "But why? It's hard, and I can just buy it off the shelf and slap it tofether with some CA and have a city." I think one or two people have mentioned buying several City of Deth boxes, not one, but several, and putting them on a sheet of plywood with a bunch of square foamcore pieces and call it a city.
I have a proposition for all of you who'd like to build a city: build an Alien City, and there are a couple good reasons why, between the money you save, the interest you add to the game, and the personal creative benifits, are too great to ignore.
First of all, the money you save is all the better in a hobby that's exceptionally deft at making you broke. It's far cheaper to use paper, cardboard, foamcore and a fun trip to either a salvage yard or the hardware store, than to buy one (and only) of these buildings. With some creaticvity, an ingenious table-maker can craft a table for the price of a singlte Manufactorum. If one is decently frugal, one could pull off that and still have enough to pick up a box or two of your favorite troop type.
Beyond the money, there's the interest you generate in your local gaming club,a whole new batch of people to come and play and enjoy this table you've constructed with your own ingenuity. Even people who've been old members will find renewed interest in the hobby because YOU ere the one who buiult the awesome table that drew them in. This makes playing far more enoyable for you, and everyone else. If you're building something you like, it becomes that much more enjoyable for you and your building crew. A little variety makes everyone get a little more upbeat when they paint tau billboards or coming up with orky graffit sprayed on a rock "Stoopid 'umanz!"
Now the part that probably stops most people cold in their tracks is the blank slate issue. With no direction given, no one's gonna start. No one quite knows what an Eldar building looks like, aside from the shapes we gather off of their miniature range. Refuse to make it an obstacle, and make it an advantage. after all, It's YOUR table, so make it from YOUR mind. Think extreme, go nuts. Out of this world, mind bendingly wierd. Find books of surreal and Science fiction art, and go from there. Soon you'll find this is not the biggest obstacle, but the greatest benifit, and one that'll serve you later on. You develop your own creativity, and your ability to think, to look at a blank piece of paper or space and do something with it.
For you younger modellers, this is a bigger one, and there's a page break because I want you to hear me well:
This ability to visualize, to build, and create is something so incredibly rare and left underdeveloped. This is your outlet. use it well. I'm encouraging you to build YOUR city, not the one that comes in the GW box. Even the older gamers in your group will have a greater deal of respect for you when they see the incredible stuff you can build. Keep it up, and adults will do the same. You can even make a career out of this. Archiecture majors spend almost ALL of their time building miniature buildings, exactly like the ones your group is using, and things don't change much in the field. So if you're parents give you crap about your odd hobby, tell 'em your starting early on Architecture school. It'll make 'em stop and rethink things for a second.
Any excuses, anyone? I'm not saying it'll be easy, but easy isn't fun. Pwning some noob (like me) at your store gets pretty old after awhile. Likewise, building the same hills and boxed cities will get stale. Challenges will keep you occupied, and rather than being beat down by them, surpass them. I want no one to settle for mediocrity. It's almost guaranteed that we'll never be happy with our first efforts. But that's why they're first efforts, and not final efforts. It takes practice to produce improvements, and whole new ideas take refinement. So keep refining them.
To give you all inspiration, and show that this isn't impossible, here's a TAU city on the GW website, hidden away and unmentioned. THIS is awesome:
Outside the box: Think in hexagons, think in radial patterns. Throw out the whole domination of right-angle orthagonality. Try doing all curves. Take something ordinary and turn it upside down.
I put this out in the previous thread, but it deserves a place here. Different materials can radically alter the look of a building.
The sets from Earth: Final Conflict, were made with stretched fabric, and looked completely alien in organically grown ways. Look it up.
Frank Gehry, Prisker-prize winning Architect takes ink scribbles, and uses them to build models out of paper ribbons. Yes, freaking paper ribbons.
The incredible scenery from Stargate:Atlantis was built using a hexagonal grid as a basis for almost ALL of the geometry in the set dressing and background. (Look at all the buildings in the city, they're ALL six sided, and their are six piers extending from the center...). BAM! Alien city!
Even within the GW fluff, there's some awesome potential. Any Ideas what a Vespid city would look like?
There are Thousands of worlds in this Galaxy NOT infested by the disease Agent Smith calls Humanity. Xenos need homes to fight over, too. Think of the children, the poor Tau children without homes because no one will build them. "till now. No more more of the Cities (over done to) Death.
Don't mistake my purpose, I'm not devaluing your skills, I'm encouraging they're improvement. Someone, however, will fly off the handle and post that I'm an offensive pile of Go-se who's told you all to stuff it. I want you all to realize THEY'RE the ones devaluing YOUR skill and potential. I want you to live up to it, not push it of to the side and buy a box to think inside of. I've seen some incredible conversions on miniatures, so there's little reason that immense potential here should remain untapped. I know there's more to you than buying a Basilica Administratum.
Last edited by Slithyr; August 13th, 2006 at 06:14.
Do not meddle in the affairs of Tyranids, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup.
There are people who do what you are asking, hopefully some of them will show their faces here.
But what you seem to have discounted was the artistic oppurtunity(for lack of a better term) that arises out of the GW sets. I for instance, have taken one Imperial City Box set, and am working on two seperate buildings from it. A Palace, and an ad.mech temple. The palace is only being made from some GW parts. A majority of it is going to be scratchbuilt, scrounged from other sets, and whatnot.
The temple is going to be made of GW sets on the outside, but on the inside is going to have circuit boards I looted from various electronic devices in my house that no longer work for flooring.
I would never have thought of doing this if it hadn't been for these sets.
Tau - Knights of the Frozen Wastes
Necrons - The Phalanx of Gleaming Death
CSM - Iron Warriors
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you wrote a lot.. Cool
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Slithyr, I agree with your whole idea. I have stuck to making the standard type building architecture soley because everything I make ends up on ebay. I have to aim for the masses. For me to go 'outside of the box' the amount of potential buyers might be significantly decreased. Though I have tinkered around with a few thoughts of tau type terrain.
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Ir eally like this idea. slithyr, you show that you cna think outside the box in a group that, well, that should be hinking outside the box already.
Finding inspiriation for some racial cities shouldnt be too hard. If you play Dawn Of War, and are up-to-date with all of the expansions, then you should have a great idea for how their buildings should look.
for example, eldar builings are usually triangular in shape, exhibiting triangular bases, eldar-ish pillars that slightly resemble pyramids, and up-side down triangle shapes.
if you want to see what these things look like for yourself, then go tohttp://www.dawnofwargame.com(i in no way shape or form endorse dawn of war by relic. really.)
Time to put your money where your mouth is and post some pics of your original/scratch built stuff then. I'm waiting...
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its soo true.....there only one guy at the gaming outlit in my town, he makes ork terrain, which usually comes out really well:yes: ,he made an entire camp/base full of tents and workshops and stuf like that....the entire thing is awesome, plus when he battles in it he gets tons of cover (luck orc b^*%#$d) lol but ya gw needs to think of the xenos:x , i couldnt imagine what an entire dark eldar city would look like *shivers* or a serious tyranid hive thing , an eldar city , a kroot city/village (yes i know gw already has it but i think they can do better than a few tents ) or a necron tomb /or even city and stuff like that.
Go xenos go
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I Agree with most of what you said, but the part about making other races' cities, there's just not many of them that actually build cities, Eldar live on their Craftworlds, Tyranids would rather eat them, I know next to nothing about Dark Eldar, other than they raid imperial settlements, also, i dont know much about how Orks live, but i think they'd just build over the remains of an imperial city (and of course make it proper orkzy), that leaves the Necrons (they only have their tombs which no sane man would enter, right?), Chaos which lives in the eye of terror, sure anybody not already turned to chaos, or a grey knight wouldn't become insane when they found out.. then the only races that build cities that would be worth fighting for are the imperials and the tau. that's why i think gw are only producing Imperial cities.. maybe GW will produce Tau cities in the future, i just dont hope they insist on making a Tyranid city or something...
but yes, people should make most of their terrain themselves, but for us that either have little to no access to stuff that could be used as terrain, or just dont have the imagination to see that the pringles tube there can be used as a tower, i think they are perfect..
(that, or as a centrepiece on a gaming board.