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Hey guys. I have a quick question...
In my previous experiences with Games Workshop, generally the use of a model from outside of their own production lines is frowned upon in their own store gaming and disbarred for tournament use... meaning, they want you to use only their models. This is a completely fair requirement, I think, but I've recently gotten it in mind to convert one or two models over from Warmachine to use as models for my 40k army and I'm wondering if GW has any general rules for such a thing - I remember once being told that something like 70% of the model had to be made from GW parts for it to be tournament-legal.
To be a bit more specific:
I'm making a Grey Knights-centric Daemonhunter Army which is lead by an Inquisitor Lord with a shooting-oriented retinue. In his retinue, he has three gun servitors - two heavy bolter servitors, and one plasma servitor. Normally, I'd be content to go ahead and buy the models for it but for two factors: 1) I hate the way present servitors look. They're just machine zombies, and they don't seem to mesh well with a puritan inquisitor backed by Grey Knights like what I'm going for... and 2) They don't really match the look of the Grey Knights themselves all that well, which is what I'm trying to get the Lord's retinue to do - generally blend in as 'Ordo Malleus' with armor and plate, as opposed to the 'pitchforks and torches' appearance of a normal Ordo Hereticus retinnue. With that said, I found these wonderful little Warmachine models called 'Rhulic Light Warjacks' that looked like they'd make great gun servitors with a bit of modification:
Cut the boiler off the back, replace it with something a bit more in line with the 40k universe, and mount a heavy bolter of plasma cannon in place of that dinky steampunk repeating gun it has on it's back. Now, that's all well and good, and the models fit the Grey Knight appearance beautifully - but here's where I start to encounter my problems. While they'd work great for my GK army and retinue, I wouldn't be able to play with them in GW stores or in GW tournaments or events, which is a significant drawback to me. I'm wondering if GW doesn't have rules for 'how much' of the model has to be made of their own bitz for it to be tournament legal - if it comes down to it, I could use just the legs and remove the medieval head from the rest of the body and scratchbuild my own torso and weapons for it, but I'm not sure what my best approach is to using these models as part of my retinue.
I remember something similar.I remember once being told that something like 70% of the model had to be made from GW parts for it to be tournament-legal.
I'll just check my last GW Grand Tourney pack.....I recall there being something in there about it.
The UK pack states that and converted minis must have started out as a Citadel Miniture, and contain a majority of Citadel components.
Thats all it states though. Nothing about a certain percentage I'm afriad.
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I've heard several things -
- Model must be X% GW.
- Model must be majority GW.
- Model must be all GW.
- We don't care what the model is!
All of those have been stated at some point on this board, except for maybe the last one - that's just what the guys at my local shop would say. I'd say go ahead and ask your local tournie organisers, then read up on rules, etc. of other tournies you're planning on hitting up. :yes:
I emailed hobby service and this is what he said:
Under the official NTS rule system, the use of non games workshop
miniatures is strictly forbidden.
This has been brought in because of the support games workshop provides
to events, both through advertising and prize support. Thus it would be
detrimental to Games Workshop to provide all of the support only to have
people use other companies miniatures during the event.
Conversions are acceptable however as long as they are in theme and
feature citadel parts predominately.
Hobby Service Centre"
Hope this helps
• adverb mainly; for the most part
Last edited by dfg; August 22nd, 2006 at 07:23.
From personal experience this rule is only moderately upheld. I have a scratch built Thunderhawk and my friend has an Ork Suppa bomma made from a GIjoe plane.
And they get requested for battles at my local GW all the time.
I guess what they're really after is something that looks appropriate. I've seen various takes on servitors myself, they're an easy concept to convert. And if it's for personal games (not tournaments) I'd go with it.
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Originally Posted by dfg
so that would mean it has to be 51% or more
I quess so.....Do you want me to ask him?
The first part of that official response is definitely a kneejerk reaction to 'NO OUTSIDE MODELS!' but the conversion part gives me a bit of leeway - I think considering that the boiler'd be removed and replaced with a suitable GW bit, the weapon would be swapped out, and it would then be covered in Grey Knight Iconography and purity seals, it'd be 'predominantly' their parts..?
I would say go for it. With the majority of it being converted, tassled, and beribboned to fit in with your Grey Knights it should pass, at least that is what I think. ^_^ From what you say it should be really cool looking when you are done
On a random side note: Are you still taking a break from the Gargant you were working on? You do some great work I must say, Jamsessionein.
So there I was...
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As long as you convert it enough so that they can't tell what it is you are good. Like the scratchbuilt stuff above, I am sure most GW employees would never be able to figure out what the fighta-bomma started out as. Probably think it is completely scratchbuitl!
And most GW employees probably never even saw a t-hawk, so they prolly can't tell if its scratchbuilt or not.
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