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Just wondering what everybody does to make sure their paint goes on in an even coat. Mine tends to go on "blotchy," meaning the undercoat shows through in some places, not in others. Is it too thin? Wrong brush? Do I just need to do multiple coats? Suggestions?
It's not a dumb noob question, sometimes everybody has problems with smoothness...
Water your paints down on a palette (it can be a dry palette e.g. an old CD or a ceramic tile) or a wet pallette (you can use a plastic container, a sponge and some waxed paper/breakfast paper).
I use paint that has a milk-like consistency.
Dip your brush into watered down paint, then remove the excessive amount of paint on a paper towel - let the brush be moist , but not too wet.
Apply multiple layers - this will give you a smooth look.
hope this will help you.
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By the sounds of it you need to apply more coats. The reason that your undercoat shows through is because the pigment in the paint is slightly transparent. This is why you have to apply more coats of light colour, because the pigment is more transparent and is as such affected more by the colour underneath. Obviously black being nearly completely untransparent isn't affected by this. Obviously if you are going to be applying more coats of paint you need to water them down slightly so that you dont obscure any of the details.
This is done by putting some paint onto a pallete(sp?) this can be anything like a small floor tile or even a polystyrene plate. Then get a bit of water onto your brush and mix it with the paint, don't use to much water or you will make the paint to thin. Then just paint your model as you do normally. Once the first coat has dried completely, some of the undercoat will be showing through, probably slightly more then was showing before because you watered the paint down, then apply a second coat of the paint and it should look solid, if it doesn't because you have chosen a very light colour simply apply another coat and then another until you have a solid layer of paint.
This is assuming that you are using acrylic paints such as the ones sold by GW
Hope that helps,
how to best prevent recesses from becoming filled then? Just painting very carefull?
I have some firewarriors that i didn't get right yet as the undercoat can be seen though on some. and the small works on them make it almost impossible imo to keep the recesses from filling up, especially the shoulderpads. (Vallejo paints)
I gave it several coats allready, or even worse, my devilfish which had a total of 5-7 layers allready before it became moderate coated. I tried to build up color by using progressively lighter colors and mixes allready, but still have trouble with them.
I tried the T'Au color sheme, which is shown on the gw website. The only way i got them reasonable to a quality that i'm proud of is with a white basecoat instead and with diluted scorched brown drybrushed on the cloth. which gives a nice shading effect imo.
I now have a similar problem with a grey and yellow sheme for said firewarriors, but i know yellow is a b**** to paint properly.
Any usefull pointers?
Last edited by vindicator; October 24th, 2006 at 19:35.
One thing I have noticed is that all paint does not have the same thickness. So by giving hard rigid guidelines to watering down paint you will end up with mixed results...
As Hashmallum has said a milk like consistency is optimal. Basically you want to find that magic spot just before you get to where you stick the brush into the paint and it doesn't go dripping off like water.
Some paint also don't cover as well. Yellows really come to mind. In that case sometimes it takes several coats to cover.
Give it some trial and error until you find your sweet spot with thinning. If you do overthin the paint you can still use it - but it will take more layers to cover well and you will want to wick a little of the paint off the brush so that it doesn't go into the recesses.
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I personally use a thick basecoat , and then add highlights...
For very bright colours like white - I use a basecoat of space wolf grey this allows me to get a smooth surface, in a rather short time. Painting yellow is pretty hard - if you are trying to get some yellow on your mini try to paint from snakebite leather
I use snakebite leather or leprous brown as my base for yellows and oranges...
It's hard to say how to get it right...
If I had the opportunity to show it in person...
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It sounds like you are watering it down to much if it is running into the cracks. If it isn't running into the cracks like a liquid then you just need to paint carefully. I have a Tau army too and i chose bright blue armour. This means that it took me ages to paint things like my devilfish. But for firewarriors your only choice is to paint very carefully so that the paint doesn't go into the cracks. As for the devilfish it is mainly just patience, my devilfish took about 30 coats of watered down GW ice blue before i go a really good solid blue. THere is nothing wrong with painting ontop of a white undercoat, i would suggest it for your yellow army because otherwise your yellow will come out dark. One way you could paint yellow is to spray white, give a yellow ink wash, and then paint all the plates in whatever shade of yellow you want and then highlight leaving the yellow ink in the recesses. I did this with blue ink for my Tau. One more important thing is to insure that you have a solid basecoat of yellow before you begin to highlight.
It depends. For colours like black i only add a very small amount of water because you only ever really need to apply one coat of black paint to anything to get a solid coat. There is no set amount of water you should add. The lighter the colour, the more coats you will paint and so the more watered down you want your paint to be so that you can apply enough layers without obscuring detail. To get around the blotchiness all you have to do is apply more watered down layers. To refer to my Tau again i was painting Ice blue on in a ratio of 3:1 Iceblue:water. That ratio meant that the paint was obscuring detail but it meant that i was applying enough paint to build up layers. With colours like white i often go all the way to 1:1 skull white:Water to make sure that i can apply enough layers.
The most important thing is not to try and do it all in one layer. Apply as many layers as you need. Also don't forget to let each layer dry completely before you apply the next.
As far as thinging your paint down goes just make sure that you thin it down enough to still colour the surface, it isn't meant to be a wash.
Both of you posted whilst i was typing this
I hope this answers your questions. if not just say,
I use Citadel paints, and a white piece of ceramic tile (dry) for a palette. As to whether I thin paints, I dip my brush in water before putting it in the pot, then I brush some off onto the palette, making a "point" with the brush before painting.The result seems to be a relatively thin paint when it goes on the mini, perhaps too thin? Not sure. It's worked fairly well in the past, but I was wondering if there's a better way?
EDIT: I dip in water first, then to the pot, then wick off on the palette every time I load the brush. Now as I type it out it sounds like kind of a dumb way to do it. Grr.