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I'm hoping to get some advice as to how to paint my baby. If you avoid the conversion forums (link may stop working once the forums come back properly): over the past few months, I've been working on and off to create an ork stompa gargant based loosely on artwork by one of Games Workshop's artists. I hope that many of you may have seen this already! I have finally managed to finish all of the scratchbuilding, and now I have this model (and diorama base) sitting in front of me waiting for primer and paint.
I've no idea what to do with it now. I wish I was good at painting, but I am sadly a relative novice. Part of me wishes I would just find some professional to do it for me, but I wouldn't be able to enter it in any sort of competitions if I do that, and I've invested so much work into it's construction that it just wouldn't be right. I do have an airbrush that I have used with varying success that I imagine I'm going to have to look at using..
Really, though, I don't know how to paint this up. A majority of my orky constructions are red, but I went for a very scrapheap appearance with the construction of this gargant, so I'm thinking something metallic and rusty might be cool. I've also had an interesting idea in mind for a little while - I want to make it look like it's made of very looted and scrap parts, so I'm thinking of finding a good panel, painting it up an ultramarines blue, and putting the ultramarines logo on it... to sort've suggest they blew a tank clean up, and just ripped scrap metal straight off it and bolted it on as extra armor without even an extra coat of paint.
It's a large task, and very intimidating, so I'm not entirely sure where to start aside from a coat of black primer. Faded and rusted metal would look good, but I'm not sure how to achieve the best effect, or where I should apply this to. I've just come into ownership of a box full of every Vallejo Game Color paint, which should make this entire process that much easier, but I'm really not sure how to best paint corroded or worn metals, and I'm also not sure of the general scheme I should utilize, so I'm more than open to advice for both colors and technique.
I would suggest painting it in pieces if you haven't fully assembled it yet. That will make painting some areas easier.
As for worn metal I have found that the smokey ink makes an excellent wash to dull down the metals. Maybe for more rusty metal you can use a touch of chestnut and orange ink as well around bolts, etc.
I have also used a product from Modern Options that is a 2 part rust patina that creates real rust by first applying an iron paste to the area you want rusted and then adding an agent that accelerates the rust on the iron. It is pretty cool.
I am afraid I won't be much help on narrowing down your paint scheme. I like the idea of using scrap parts and having a medley of things such as the ultramarine armor - but I would probably suggest keeping that to a minimum so that it doesn't detract from the overall appearance. maybe keep the areas rather small and scattered with a heavy use of Ork symology, patterns, or whatever over it to help unify the scheme. I guess I am saying that you don't want the odd parts to draw attention away from the whole.
It might be worth your while to base coat with the airbrush and do a combination of painting with brushes and airbrush - just remember that with the airbrush you will get a much smoother appearance.
I look forward to seeing pictures of your progress!
I am KArmoon, I know nothing of painting.
RIght.. if you drew blue prints and stuff for the building of the beast, then surely you should do mock ups with pen and paper and photoshop and stuff to make sure that you get it right?
You could just photocopy your blue prints and try out different schemes on paper. Once you get one you like, then you can go about the practicalities of getting that on your model.
Is this a silly idea?
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Heya, and welcome to the painting forums!Originally Posted by jamsessionein
It's been a long time coming, but congrats on your beautiful bouncing baby gargant :yes:
I'd say that if the rest of your army has a red theme, then it is probably a good idea to stick with it for the gargant.
I'd say that painting the whole thing in rusty and scratched metals is a good start, then picking out about 2/3rds of the panels you want coloured in red. The other third I would do in a variety of colours, especially concentrating on the colours of your regular friends and opponents armies, just to rub it in ^_^
As for actual technique, I have no real idea, other than grabbing a proper massive brush!
But seriously, if you usually use drybrushing to do your metals, then drybrush them, just scale up the operation. Big brushes will be your friend.
For specific metal techniques, I would prime everything black, then paint everything a middle-silver metal. Wash everything with black, then a light reddy-brown, then dark brown. Then drybrush everything with silvers, up from dark to light.
That should look suitably rusty/worn, and be a good base to paint your 'colours' onto.
I'm sure there are people better placed to comment on metallics than me, but that would be where I would start
Good luck mate, and keep us posted with your progress!
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To keep the idea of enemy-coloured parts (such as the Ultramarine part, which I love) without detracting from the whole, I have a suggestion. Paint the part first as you would like it to represent. For example, pick a plate and paint it blue with an Ultramarine symbol. Then use your airbrush and paint over about half of the area in your predominate Orky colour (like red). Blend it to look like the Orks painted over the Ultramarine blue with their own paint, but their paint is wearing off. So keep the edges red and allow it to fade towards the centre or wherever else the wear might be, allowing the blue and symbol to just peek out. Mist the exposed blue with your airbrush for residual red. This should keep the colour-scheme unified, but show the scrap-build look you were going for.
The model is currently in pieces - arms, head, back being the primary ones. I kept it that way mostly for transport, though it will make painting a lot easier as well.
The problems I've had with inks in the past, particularly colors like 'smoke', is that they make whatever they touch extremely glossy.. even when I hit it with a coat of testors matte finish after, it never quite looks right after that. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong?
I don't want the gargant to look like a mess - the ultramarine panel was just an idea - and I realize too many colors will make it look like a walking circus, but I'm not sure how far is too far. I'd probably want to dull the blue down a bit to look more metallic, but I'm not sure how.
I have the airbrush and I can do a base coat with it, but is that a good idea compared to a normal spray can? I've fouled up airbrushed models before because the paint came out too watery and pooled or too thick and splattered, so I'm a bit hesitant to risk that...
Karmoon: The 'blue prints' and the finished product differ by a great deal. A lot of this is artistic creativity on my part, due to the fact that the concept art was by someone inside Games Workshop and I only had one side shot to go with.
Minus: That's a good start, thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to make a few test pieces to try metallics on.
I'm still very open to more input and suggestions.
Edit: Neuro, you posted about the same time as me, so I missed your post initially. If I understand right, you're suggesting using the airbrush to gradient from the normal orky red into an ultramarines blue to try and show that it's been hastily covered up?
That may work, though it may also come out a bit smoother than would look right. I'll have to experiment a bit.
Last edited by Ein; December 26th, 2006 at 23:28.
the smokey ink really isn't an ink but rather a glaze. It shouldn't leave things too glossy... Also testor's dullcote should get rid of any shine from inks in general. I really haven't had a problem with my figures using the dullcote... Maybe another layer or two - shake the can more - make sure you are within temperature/heat guidelines so that it works the way it is supposed to.
As for the airbrush - test spray on paper first and make sure you can control the output. Do a couple of fine layers rather than try to get even coverage after the first pass... That might help the pooling effect. Thin paints such as airbrush paint shouldn't be too much of a problem if you get overspill. It should clean up fairly easy with a tissue and painting over it should continue to be rather smooth.
For the specific colored pieces such as your suggestion of the ultramarine plate... keep them as accent pieces mainly on the sides, tucked away to where they aren't the most visible pieces, maybe in the back, basically don't make them the most predominant pieces and you should be ok!
Again good luck!
Yes, I am afraid it was very hard to explain what was so simple in my head. So I made up a quick pic in photoshop (Verrrry poorly), to help explain.
I guess what I was going for was it to look less like a quick paint-over, and more like the paint was wearing off instead. Hope this helps.
Well, there are others here who know LOTS more about painting than me, but after reading your fantastic WIP thread on the conversion forum, I just HAD to weigh in...
First off, regarding the Ultramarine thing, I like the idea very much (especially if you use a piece or two "stolen" from your friend's favorite army. Classic!), but might I suggest you not make it a "major" part of the gargant. Don't, for example, put it smack in the center of the front, or on the largest panel you have, rather you should put it in a more out-of-the-way place, a subtle yet noticeable addition.
About worrying about your paint job, well, I can understand that, after all the work you've done, but here's a simple thought that might help: make a note of ALL the techniques suggested here, and make some mock-up plates out of plasticard or something, and test it out there first, before putting a drop on your baby. It's a great way to practice your technique, or test suggested ideas, and all without risk of ruining your masterpiece.
And it IS a materpiece. Very nice job indeed! Good luck with it!
I greatly appreciate the feedback so far.
I've recently had the chance to get a look at some close-up shots of the Medusa V gargant, built by an individual nicknamed 'Mousemuffins', and I'm in love with most of his metals:
I'm interested in emulating some of the details on this - not the colored parts, because although they're nice, they look a bit too splotchy for my liking. I'm more interested in the rusted parts and faded checkmarks...
Speaking of the checkmarks, does anyone have a recommendation for how and when to do them? I don't know if I should put them on, then drybrush brown overtop, or add them close to the end... in my past experience, though, getting them to go on cleanly is very hard, as GW's white has always been very chalky for me, making it go on rough and inconsistent.
I'm certainly going to be making some test plates, though, so I can make sure I'm not going to ruin anything.