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Well, after a long break from warhammer, I'm jumping in with both feet now. I'm working on a SCUBA assault army, something like the Navy Seals.Rules-wise, they're going to be represented as a WH Inquisitorial Stormtrooper army with SM scout allies. But as an added twist, they're going to be specialised for ice dive assaults. Hopefully, they'll look something like a mix of the following pictures.
Recreational Diver: http://www.channel4.com/life/media/0...snow/main2.jpg
Sam Fisher in Arctic Gear: http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1323/1150499875.jpg
Now, I have the Catachan battle force as a starting point, but other than that, I need some ideas on how to do this army. I was planning on sculpting the air tanks and regulators, and using guitaur wire for the breathing tubes. And for the bases I was going to use Green Stuff and a snow mixture to simulate them carving their way out from under the ice.
So any ideas?
shark in the water
"Your kid puked on me. I should get extra marks for that."
Sounds interesting. I'm not sure how you'd go about it but I reckon your tanks will look a bit unusual.
No more NG spearmen, thanks! Now I need some pump-wagons!
Yeah, this definitely sounds like a really good idea for an army. Its likely to be work intensive but should land you with something unique and striking when you finish. I have a few suggestions if I may:
- Look at some flamer fuel tanks for use as oxygen tanks. There are several different pieces that are produced by GW and FW thant could fill this role (click me! And me!). Stick these to the back of your soldiers and run some guitar wire from the tanks to the mouth of the model. Then GS a mask or something simlar and you have some cool breathing apparatus. Alternatively you could easily make your own from plastic tubes and GS.
- A good set of models for the suggested look of your models would be the Forgeworld Elysians. They are quite expensive, but their drop suits look quite alot like diving suits, and they have breathing apparatus modelled onto them already. They also have ultra-mobile looking weapons and equipment which would suit your intended army down to the ground. Take a peak here.
- If you intend to keep strictly to the fluff of this army it might be diffuicult to justify the use of vehicles. If you manage to justify vehicles, it will be even harder to model them to look like they dive under the ice. Things like large propellers on the back of chimeras, alongside oxygen tanks/diving snorkels and ballast-bladders on the sides could convey the idea of amphibious assault. Alternatively you could say that the armoured section of the army traveled above the ice and struck after the infantry had attacked from beneath the ice. If you wanted to add a hint of humour to the army you could model snow-shoes onto some sentinels - I think that would look very funny
- Whatever you do to vehicles, make sure you add winches and the like to each one so they can extracate each other if one gets stuck somewhere. Equipment like heaters, shovels, picks and other cold-weather stuff on the tanks is vital.
- If you use snipers in this army you don't even need models - just a sniper rifle and a bike base. Make a snow pile out of GS on the base to about the size of a man. Have a sniper rifle with arms and head sticking out of the pile so it looks like the sniper has covered himself in snow for camoflauge. I know this sounds daft, but if it done well it can look awesome - trust me I've seen it done
- Having people breaking through the ice of the bases would be cool. Model the base so it looks like a hole in the ice and stick the torso of a soldier pulling himself out of the hole. Again, if done properly this could look fantastic. You could design/buy something that looks like a big hand-held drill that the soldiers use to break up from the ice (you could then mount a larger version on vehicles). Each soldier should also have equipment like picks and shovels in case the drills fail to work. Alternatively give them melta bombs! They could use the bombs to blow their way through the ice! BOOM!
- Have you thought of using the IG army list instead of the WH one? I think they could be made to suit this list very well. You could use doctrines like "drop troops" to represent the models deep striking by cutting up through the ice. Could work very well, but its up to you
- Have you thought of a name for this army yet? For some reason I get the impression of them rising from the ice in a manner similar to zombies rising form the earth. Perhaps you could call them the 'Taundra Zombies' or the 'Ice Zombies' or something like that. Again, its just an idea.
Great idea for an army mate, hope my suggestions have helped a little. Please keep a WIP thread about this army, I would really love to see how it turns out. Have fun!
you could just buy tons and tons of Vindicare's
I've ice dived for almost 10 years. It's COLDER than anything you could ever imagine.
I'd personally say that cadians with the respirator heads would work better than Cat's (ie, cats aren't fully clothed, just for a start).
Cadian Flamethrower tanks would be a great start. It's a pity you can't bits order from FW, as the new Grenadier Heavy Flamer team from the DKoK has a SWEET looking tank backpack that would look the business.
For vehicles, perhaps something along the line of the old "Termite" might work. For those who are WAY too young to remember, the termite was basically a drop pod that came up from under the ground. It had a bit auger on the nose. That way you could model a bunch of them smashing their way up through the ice, making for very exciting pcs.
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Interesting idea. There's a WD (forget the number. It came out with Eldar jetbikes in Cities of Death on the cover), that had lotsa CoD-compatible conversions in it. The IGs were inspired by Navy SEALs, and look a lot like what I think you're going for. Don't remember if there's a "How I did it" description, but it's still something to go on for you.
Regarding vehicles, you could get brave (for non-tourney play) and use WWII amphibious assault models (look for any "D-Day" model sets), for "counts as" Chimeras, or take a real Chimera model and try to outfit it with plasiticard to make it look like those amphibious vehicles. Dunno how to modify Leman Russes or other tanks, but it might work for Chimeras. Some sort of drill attachment for the fronts of them would suggest the "break through the ice" idea.
Sounds like fun. Good luck!
@rp252: Thanks for all the help there, I appreciate it. Unfortunately, the Elysians are quite a bit out of my money range. Saving up 1500 bucks by the end of July means money's tight. As for using the IG list instead of the WH list, I thought about it, but I think using Storm Troopers as basic troops is a better way to represent the elite nature of the army. Vehicles aren't going to be amphibious, but rather Sno-Cats if I can model them, naturally loaded down the proper gear (eg. extra air tanks, shovels, ice picks, saws....) And the flamer tanks are definitely going to be my main source of air tanks.
@Artificer: While I personally haven't gone ice diving (yet), I think I've got a good idea of how cold it would be. I've been in frozen water before, and it's cold, I know. As for the Cadians, I'm going to get some of them too to round out the parts, but I just HATE those tunics they have, so they'll be the guys popping out of the ice, while the Catachans are going to be made ice-worthy later on once I get the basic sculpting techniques right.
Another reason I want to go WH is the variety of elites choices I can use. Inquisitors and death-cult assasins are both going to have a place in my army. And I really prefer having an inquisitor lord with a retinue for HQ over an IG command squad ( ) I should have an army list planned out in a day or two so you can get an idea of what I need to convert.
shark in the water
"Your kid puked on me. I should get extra marks for that."
It would be really cool to turn the tracks sideways, and with a lot of plasticard and greenstuff, to make them horizontal instead of vertical. Then, fix up the tracks to make them look like little paddle things pushing backwards to move forward, do you get what I'm saying....?
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