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Wassup everyone. I have a friend who collects fantasty, and he bought a LOTR wyvern or whatever it is, with a ringwraith riding it. He wanted to use the wyvern as an Orc wyvern as a conversion, because it looks cooler. But GW said it was illegal because of copyright laws they cannot mix up models.
So, I was thinking of getting the wings from the LOTR wyvern and using them for my Hive Tyrant wings. Is this a violation of copyright too, because it isn't using the entire model, just a part of it? Thanks for any help.
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What kind of assinine police state do you live in that doesn't allow a citizen to build a model conversion on their own? Maybe what he meant was that it was illegal for GW to do it, or against policy to accept such conversions at Games Day or something. No one, at least in the States, can tell me what pieces of what models I can or cannot use.
Generally speaking, copyright applies to *copying*. If you already own (1) orc wyvern and (1) ringwraith, there's nothing to stop you creating (1) converted ringwraith. If you were to make a mold and start producing models for all your friends, both GW and the Tolkien estate would probably send their Legal Department Uruk-Hai over to have a word. That word would probably be you screaming incoherently, but I digress.
Now, there is one exception: depending on your jurisdiction there *is* something called "moral rights" which are retained by the artist and which can prevent alteration/damage to a work of art. In a famous Canadian case, a sculptor successfully sued the landlord of a shopping mall which had a sculpture of several loons in flight out front. He argued that the sculpture was art and that it infringed his moral rights as an artist to put bows around the necks of the loons at christmas time. The Court agreed.
The other thing would be if you bought the models under license, like with software.
But hey, IANAIPL and don't even know what jurisdiction you're in, so you'd need legal advice from your country/state.
It's more likely that it's against policy and not illegal, sort of like how you're not allowed to use for ex. Reaper models. GW might have made a deal with whoever owns the rights to the lotr-models that would make it illegal for them to accept a conversion like that in a tournament/painting contest/similar though.
Go ahead and convert it, no one is going to stop/arrest/torture you for it. Depending on how much of by the book a-holes the staff at ur GW are, you may not be able to use it there and certainly wont be able to use it at games day and stuff.
I want to use ring wraiths in my Witch Hunters Inquistor's Retinue... that "legal" right? I wanted cloaked dudes with swords for my cc inquistors retinue either as veterans or acolytes, this would involve me painting the =I= on the ringwraiths and a bit of converting..... that wouldn't be breaching copyright or whatever? would it?
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It's completely legal as it's your models and you can do whatever you want with them. But we still have the issue of GW-tournaments, playing at GW-stores etc.
The one tip I can give is: Don't ask us, 'cause we don't know :)
Ask the staff where you play instead. If it's an independent games club then there shouldn't be any problem at all, if it's a GW-owned place then it's up to the staff. I don't know the official policy on this because the nearest store is 1000km away ( or so :)
I was told once that all GW models are legal for tournament use. I'm hoping that this means that LOTR models can be substituted for other models. I would one day like to do an elf army, but with the LOTR elves that look much much better.
I wonder if THIS would be considered a no no.
i dont think that in an official gw tournament u could use lotr models, but if ur making conversions why not using parts of them ?? in that big a$$ 2004 catalog there's a daemon prince conversion that uses the balrog head, so if they use it in an official book they make it legal at least for me....
Im buying that mumakil to convert it and use it as a chaos war mammoth and no copyrights are going to stop me, i rather like paying 65 bucks and converting the muma, than spending my a$$ off in the fw model.....