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Okay, I have painted my whole life. I was a mad modeller when young, and as an adult I am an illustrator as well as a wood sculptor who paints his own stuff. The point is, I know my way around a paint brush. However, this one has me going crazy!
A friend has asked me to paint his Chaos Marines army (World Eaters). The color scheme comes right out of the GW literature: Blood Red over black primer. But for the love of the Emperor, how many coats does it take before the black stops creeping through? The two colors together give a fine dingy, creepy tone to the red. It has been suggested that I prime in white, but the results of painting Blood Red over white makes the red too bright and festive looking and the Marines look like characters from a really bad, Saturday morning cartoon.
I have been working on two Predator tanks for hours and hours and they still don't look even close to the photos in the Codex. Much more of this and I will give a whole new meaning to the term: 'Berserker of Khorne'. Infact, before he leaves for work, I may just plant these tanks under the front wheels of my neighbor's car!
Last edited by Fuzzy Wumpus; May 7th, 2007 at 13:40.
Undercoating in Scab Red or Red Gore and then drybrushing Blood Red gives a rusty, old-red feel. Really, really thick, bright red means a lot of coats of Blood Red over black, not white - red + white makes pink, which isn't exactly the best colour for a Berserker.
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Mr_Wayne: "Some people believe that the World Eaters do not field any ranged weaponry. Those people often die at a distance."
You need to start with a darker red basecoat - red gore or scab red (or even better, the mechrite red in the foundation paint set). After about 2-3 coats of that, the colour should be even enough for a lighter shade.
I've painted Khorne warriors and knights over black undercoat, so I feel your pain.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
i consider myself a master of painting red, as every army i own is painted in different shades of red,
what i do for my world eaters is add 10% black to ghe blood red for the first coat, it goes on quite easily over black to form a deep brownish color then keep adding more blood red to the mixture for each coat, id maybe do 3 coats minimum for a gaming standard model, alot more if painting to a good standard.
alternatively, you could buy the new foundation red, layer 1 coat all over and do a layer or two of blood red over that..
Originally Posted by Cheredanine
I believe I am correct in that in the Codexes and even in White Dwarf until recently the colors they would list would only be the last layers of color.
Others are correct - to get a deeper shade of red start with a darker red and build up to the blood red.
I too have been painting a lot of red and the formula I like is this:
burnt Cadmium red (vallejo model color), brown ink wash, re-coat of burnt cadmium red (leaving the darker brown red in the recesses), gore red, scab red, bloody red (all vallejo game colors - it might be scab red then gore red... basically the darkest first.)
To alter the appearance of the red you could substitue the brown ink wash with a purple one...
I also don't prime black - but rather prime white and then wash with a black ink wash. That way it is dark but not too dark and the details pop out at you.
Originally Posted by Cheredanine
I have been happy with it...
try basecoating with gray it worked when I did my friends blood angels.
gray base coat > 1/2 Blood red /Red Gore > Blood Red
Works good with thin layers.
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It's been a long time since I was a kid building models, but I now remember something that a friend taught me: "Paint the damn thing before you build it!"
I read, too, where even people who have been doing this for a while have to be reminded the purpose behind the piece they're working on: is it to enter into a contest, to show off in a display case, or to field in a figh?. I study how the 'Eavy Metal' gang does something or how some of these contest winners render a piece and then I strive 'til I'm ready to bite a brush in half to get my stuff to look as good.
But over time (I am painting not just my army but also a friend's) I'm beginning to ease up a bit!
As always, thanks for your tips!