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Well, I'm getting back in to Warhammer after a long hiatus, and I've decided to start collecting Skaven. Now, I've always had a love for Clan Eshin, and I got to thinking- Clan Eshin learned their trade from Cathay and Nippon. I decided it would be totally awesome to field an Eshin army that had 'gone native', and the idea of Clanrat samurai made me chuckle, so I've decided to make an entirely converted army. Since I hear that new Clanrat models are coming out with the new edition, I've decided to wait and plan until then.
After toying around with the idea of giving everybody plague monk bodies (because they already come wearing robes), I thought that it might be easier to make Green Stuff 'ponchos' for all my models, and then fold them strategically to resemble kimonos. My main foreseeable problem will come when I make my unit of Storm Vermin, whom I want to wear late-period style armour (you know, with those scary oni masks and lots of segmented plates), and with the weapons (because nothing in WFB really looks like a katana). I really hate sculpting with Green Stuff, and want to avoid it if I can. Any ideas on how to do this with the following provisions:
a) I'm not a sculptor, and anything I make by hand will invariably look like I fed sprue through a wood chipper.
b) My sanity is limited. Keep in mind I'm going to have to convert every last Clanrat, so any advise you may have to keep my workload at minimum would be much appreciated.
c) I obviously don't want things to look goofy. I don't want my units to be holding weapons three times larger than they are.
Thanks in advance. I know that I've bitten off way more than I can chew, and I need all the help I can get to prevent from curling up in a fetal position and mulling over the sheer volume of what I want to do whilst crying softly to myself.
Last edited by Bedlam; May 29th, 2007 at 03:22.
Conversion-wise, it'd be a great army, though that's a lot of models to deal with.
What first came to mind about your idea, though, is its winnability. I play against a guy who used to regularly field a Clan Eshin army. 7th ed. rules and the loss of skirmishers' mobility hurt that army a lot. He doesn't play it all anymore.
Actually, I was planning on running my army as Eshin in name only. I want a 'daimyo' Warlord as my general, and the Eshin army list won't let me field him. Besides, my Eshin models (Night Runners, Gutter Runners, and Assassins) are totally ninjas, and I want them to highlight the samurai contingent, rather than replace them- ninja are way more cool when used sparingly, anyways (that's pretty much the only thing worthwhile I've learned from 80's culture that has nothing to do with guitar solos). Without boring everyone with an army list and stuff (as this is the wrong place for this anyways), I want my main Clanrats to be more 'traditional' samurai, with kimono, katana, and a few pieces of armour in strategic places. My Storm Vermin I want to be like those really awesome armour-plated death machines that us Westerners like to depict the samurai as. Weapon teams and those wielding 'dishonorable' equipment (i.e. Clan Skryre goodies) would be ronin. Finally, my Clanrat Slaves will be based off of conscripted farmers, complete with farming tools (tonfa, sai, kama, etc) and those really bitching wide-brimmed straw hats.
I'm contemplating suicide just thinking about the work I'll have to do. On the other hand, I really want to make my opponent's jaw drop when I unveil my army.
I really like this idea. I think it would be sweet if you could work in some sumo units as well although I know very little about Skaven so I don't know where if at all the Sumo guys could fit but generally keep me updated on your progress this is an awesome Idea
I imagine you could use the RatOgre rules for Sumos...
As for the sculpting, if you don't like GreenStuff (given time and practice though you are bound to love it) I'd recommend Plasticard. There are some thin variants that you can easily cut with a pair of siscors.
You could also use molds, sculpt (or let someone else sculpt them for you) some details, like helmets, shoulderpads etc in a very limited number, then make molds from them.
Check out minus_t's badge creating thread.
It's in his sig.
Rat Ogre sumos would be really amazing. I'm thinking an Ogre Kingdoms conversion would be in order. Yesyes?
i started thinking about it, and with a bit of luck, and lots of hard work, a skaven skyre army converted from pure rat boxes and no metal models would be awesome and a fun project... too bad i could never afford such an undertaking.
Seeing as the majority of Feudal Japanese armies would have been peasant levies, you could simply has your clanrat legions as Yari troopers. Give them an unusual looking pike/spear, pehaps a back flag on the standard bearer, and pehaps a kanji looking symbol painted on. Not too much work to do. Have the theme centred on a few more characterful pieces. Pehaps your ?darkrats?, ?stormvermin?, the elite ones in any case, have them as the Samurai themsevlves, so the harder conversion points are less common.