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    How is this as an All Comers List also where would you shave off the 4pts?

    IMPERIAL GUARDS - Cadian7th 2504pts

    Doctrines:
    Iron Discipline
    Close Order Drill
    Drop Troop
    Veteran

    =HQ=
    Command Platoon (HQ)
    4 Command Squad (2 Guardsman, 2 Veteran), 1w/Plasma Gun; Vet w/Las Gun, Medic & 1 Heroic Senior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las Pistol, Vet w/Las Gun & Standard Bearer, @ 102pts

    Anti Tank Squad #1 @ 110pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Anti Tank Squad #2 @ 110pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Fire Support Squad #3 @ 80pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Fire Support Squad #4 @ 80pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Sentinel Support Squadron (Drop) @ 73pts
    Sentinel w/Las Cannon, HKM, SMK

    =ELITE= (Drop)
    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-88 pts
    3 with Plasma Guns
    2w/Las Guns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Las Pistol

    =TROOPS=
    Alfa Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 3w/Las Gun, 1w/Plasma Gun;
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las pistol, CCW @ 50pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 78pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Grenade Launcher, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    Beta Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 1w/Las Gun, 2w/Plasma Gun, 1Vetw/Medic
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline, Honorifica Imperialis & Las pistol, CCW @ 94pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 78pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Grenade Launcher, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    Omega Infantry Platoon (Troops) (Drop/Infiltrate)
    5 Command Squad, 4w/Flamers
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las pistol, CCC @ 70pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 91 pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Missile Launcher Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Vet Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2@ 76 pts
    1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 8 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. +Vet Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 76 pts
    1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 8 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. +Vet Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 76pts
    1 Guardsman w/ Plasma Gun, 8 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. +Vet Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    =FAST ATTACK=
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts

    =HEAVY SUPPORT=
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted HB, @ 145pts
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted HB, @ 145pts

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    I would cut the veterans back to minimum size, they are just going to drop, kill the tank and get mowed down. Adding an extra model just throws points away, especially with the power fist in there they will be a priority target.

    Another thing i would change: The 3 final squads have just a special weapon and no heavy weapon. I assume this means that they will be more aggressive while the other sit back and shoot. If this is the case than make your 5th doctrine grenadiers and turn those 3 squads into 2 grenadier squads with 2 plasma guns each. This will increase the amount of plasma you have, increase the accuracy of your plasma, reduce the risk of backfire thanks to the better armour, and with a 4+ save these troops will last longer than guardsmen. They also come with frag and krak grenades and some AP5.

    I dont see the HKM on the lascannon sentinel doing much. Because it is a main weapon as well as the lascannon you have to hold still to fire it, unless you would rather fire it than the lascannon, which is unlikely. If you are holding still than you wont get very good targets, as most vehicles wont nicely turn their back to the sentinel for you.
    what do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?

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    What about this? Any Good as an All Comers List?


    IMPERIAL GUARDS - Cadian7th 2533pts

    Doctrines:
    Iron Discipline
    Close Order Drill
    Drop Troop
    Veteran
    Grenadiers

    =HQ=
    Command Platoon (HQ)4 Command Squad (3 Guardsman, 1 Veteran), 2w/Las Cannon Squad, 1w/Plasma Gun; & 1 Heroic Senior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las Pistol, Vet w/Las Gun & Standard Bearer, @ 116pts

    Anti Tank Squad #1 @ 110pts6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Anti Tank Squad #2 @ 110pts6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Fire Support Squad #3 @ 80pts6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Fire Support Squad #4 @ 80pts6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Sentinel Support Squadron (Drop) @ 63pts
    Sentinel w/Las Cannon, SMK

    =ELITE= (Drop)
    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-88 pts
    3 with Plasma Guns
    2w/Las Guns
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Las Pistol

    =TROOPS=
    Alfa Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 2w/Las Gun, 2w/Plasma Gun;
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las pistol, CCW @ 60pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    Beta Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 2w/Las Gun, 2w/Plasma Gun,
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline, Honorifica Imperialis & Las pistol, CCW @ 83pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    Omega Infantry Platoon (Troops) (Drop)
    5 Command Squad, 1w/Plasma Gun, 3w/Flamers,
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las pistol, CCC @ 74pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 126 pts
    2 Grenadier w/Plasma Guns, 7 Grenadiers w/Hell Guns. + Sergeant w/Bolter,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 126 pts
    2 Grenadier w/Plasma Guns, 7 Grenadiers w/Hell Guns. + Sergeant w/Bolter,

    =FAST ATTACK=
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts
    Sentinel w/Heavy Flamer, SMK @43pts

    =HEAVY SUPPORT=
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted HB, SMK@ 148pts
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted HB, SMK@ 148pts
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    uhh, you misunder stood grenadiers. They function more like everyone else in this game in that you take one squad of them as a troop choice, you dont take a grenadier platoon, awesome as that would be. Basically you don't need the command squad you have for them. That would more than cut back the 33 points you are heavy by. I think the lascannon sentinel is 5 points cheeper than you have it listed as.
    what do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?

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    uhh, you misunder stood grenadiers. They function more like everyone else in this game in that you take one squad of them as a troop choice, you dont take a grenadier platoon, awesome as that would be. Basically you don't need the command squad you have for them. That would more than cut back the 33 points you are heavy by. I think the lascannon sentinel is 5 points cheeper than you have it listed as.

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    what do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?

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    As Rabid_IBM says you don't need the that third platoon HQ so that saves some points, I'd also drop smoke on the sentinels and Russes and get H/B sponsons for the Russes - 4 extra H/B for <cough> points is a steal.

    I'd also consider dropping Close Order Drill and getting Sharpshooters instead for the Lascannon Squads and H/B squads (only) it raises the average BS form 3 to about 3.5 iirc which can be worth it for those squads.
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    Well Thanks to all the vets who have contributed, I have deceided to use the Elites to land next to key targets and take them out, but those special targets, one of the ELites will be supported by the SWS!

    My army has gone from having a third of it dropping the rest shooting etc, etc to stand and shoot.

    What i have learned is that that the IG are good at Shooting from distance, they are crap CC, so what is the point of landing a third of my Omega squad and leavingthem to the lap of the dice gods!!!!, Nope...This General will not do it.....

    So what i have done with the fantastic contribution from the vets, is to draw up a Stand and shoot the crap out of the opposition before it gets within range Army, via three tanks 2 LR mbt and a demolisher, Then i will use the rest of my army who will be scattered across the battle field to shoot the living daylights out of the oppostion. And anything that looks metallic!!! The elites will be sent in with the SWS to blow them up!!!.

    Once Tanks have done there pie plating they can go have some anti tank and Anti Infantry fun!!! or out flank anything in the assault corridor?

    Here goes? Oh...If you do not like LC in Command Platoons what should i replace it with?, Should i have extra Melta rather than Flamer in SWS?, Do the tanks require extra armour?.........Again any advice is warmly welcomed.

    WHAT DO YOU THINK? Any Good?

    IMPERIAL GUARDS - Cadian7th 2500

    Doctrines:
    Iron Discipline
    Veterans
    Close Order Drill
    Drop

    =HQ=
    Command Platoon (HQ)
    4 Command Squad (2 Guardsman, 1 Veteran), 2w/Las Cannon Squad, 1w/Plasma Gun; & 1 Heroic Senior Officer w/Iron Discipline & Las Pistol, Vet w/Las Gun & Standard Bearer, @ 116pts

    Anti Tank Squad #1 @ 110pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Anti Tank Squad #2 @ 110pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Las Cannon Squads

    Fire Support Squad #3 @ 80pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Fire Support Squad #4 @ 80pts
    6 Guardsmen in 3 Heavy Bolter Squads

    Special Weapons Squad (Drop)#5 @69pts
    1w/Melta Gun, 1w/Flamer, 1w/Demo, 3w/Las Guns

    ELITE
    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns,
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Melta Guns
    2w/ Shotguns,
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Bolt Pistol

    6-Veterans-103 pts
    3 with Plasma Guns
    2w/Las Guns,
    1 Sergeant with Power Fist & Las Pistol

    TROOPS
    Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    Alfa Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 2w/Las Cannon Squad, 2w/Plasma Gun;
    1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline Honorifica Imperialis & Las pistol, CCW @ 140pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    Beta Infantry Platoon (Troops)
    5 Command Squad, 2w/Las Cannon Squad, 2w/Plasma Gun, 1 Junior Officer w/Iron Discipline, & Las pistol, CCW, @ 115pts

    9 Infantry Squad #1 @ 95pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Las Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #2 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #3 @ 85pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Auto Cannon Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/ Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    9 Infantry Squad #4 @ 80pts
    2 Guardsmen w/Heavy Bolter Squad, 1 Guardsman w/Plasma Gun, 6 Guardsmen w/Las Guns. + Sergeant w/Las Gun,

    HEAVY SUPPORT
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted LC, Sponsoons pair HB, SMK @ 168pts
    Leman Russ Demolisher, Hull Mounted HB, Sponsoons pair MM, SMK @ 188pts
    Leman Russ Battle Tank, Hull Mounted LC, Sponsoons pair HB, SMK @ 168pts

    FIRE POWER:-
    MEN in Army: 163
    Las Cannons 13
    Plasma Guns 18
    Heavy Bolters 15
    Melta Guns 9
    Auto Cannons 6
    Power Fists 3
    Flamer 1
    Demo 1
    Shotguns 4
    Las Guns 76
    Tanks 3 (heavily armoured units)
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    Awesome mate pretty much what i'd do givin the points, only and i got tuned for this too

    In 2500 pts you got only 3 tanks?! thats sounds like lambs to the slaughter to me. Although AV14 shall save them for a while, i'd have liked two bassies and well something else, cause bassies can hide so are useful in a low tank count list.

    Just a thought, probably get disagreed apon
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    Keep the 3 leman russes. I suppose if you wanted more tanks you could have some hellhounds, but don't expect them to be the kind of work horse as a leman.

    On the demoilsher i would replace the multi meltas with plasma cannons. While the multi melta would be a great tank killer, you have to get within 12" to fire it, having only move 6" to fire one, or not moved at all to fire both. Is an enemy tank going to stay that close to you when you have that kind of anti-tank firepower that needs to be close to work? The plasma cannons can still kill lighter vehicles and can do it from father away. The blast template also makes them more versitle. To cap it off, they are cheeper.

    Find the points for the extra armour upgrade on your tanks, it can save your bacon.
    what do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?

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