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    SW's at 500 and 750 points improvments are needed

    It's been a while since I've posted here, so we'll see how I do.

    First off, my current army fares well against my most common opponent who happens to be a Dark Angels army. In almost every single game I get torn to shreds until about the last 30% or so of my army exists. Then they seem to go into overdrive and don't die as easily. However with the early casualties it is very difficult for me to win and I usually don't control the objective.

    What I'm asking for is help to better my army so that it will be more resiliant in the first 2-3 turns. Those seem to be my problem. I also like to use exact point values, so if I have 500 points to spend, I'd rather spend them.

    500

    HQ
    Rune preist - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade - 101

    Elite
    4xWolf scouts - 2x Bolt pistol+CCW, bolt pistol and power weapon, meltagun - 80

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 186
    Rhino

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    750

    HQ
    Rune preist - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade - 101

    Elite
    4xWolf scouts - 2x Bolt pistol+CCW, bolt pistol and power weapon, meltagun - 80

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 194
    Rhino - Extra Armor, smoke launchers

    Fast attack
    3x Blood Claw Bikers - 2x Powerfists, meltagun - 122

    2x Attack Bike Squadron - 2x Multimeltas 130

    I like the speed of the bikers and their durability, however there's the all too common bad throws that are the bane of them.

    I tend to lose my Rune Preist to power weapon wounds and the opponent having inv saves. I usually have him accompany the Grey Hunters because they've seemed to like the back up. However I think he is hindered when put in the rhino with the blood claws.

    About heavy/anti tank weapons. I really don't like auto cannons, lascannons and missle launchers. I just think they're a waste of some attacks from a brother wolf. Also they slow the army down. I just don't like them, even on vehicles. I also like that challenge. Plasma weaponry is fun, but unreliable. I only have the one on the scout for added anti-light-tank.

    Might it be tactics that is killing me or do you think that it's my composition?

    I don't intend to expand the list to be a heavy tank heavy list. I like the rhinos and their quick but important place in the battle. I also don't intend on getting my land speeders back from my friend because I just never had any luck with them.

    I don't lose every single game. I tend to get more draws than wins and more losses than draws. My signature is far from up to date...

    Any constructive criticism is welcome. Thanks.

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    Bumped, since aether didn't want to bump it himself.

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    Kick bump slap nudge.

    Please help me here guys. Honestly I need the help I mentioned in the first post.
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    Well after some time talking to SWAT and making some sacrifices I bring to you my new 500 point list that I hope will give me the edge against the DA's and other armies that I tend to deal with.

    499/500

    HQ

    Rune Priest - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade, Belt of Russ - 126

    Elite
    4xWolf Scouts - 56

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 194
    Rhino - Smoke launcher, extra armor
    ------------------------------
    Thus this should change my 750 list:

    751/750

    HQ

    Rune Priest - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade, Belt of Russ - 126

    Elite
    4xWolf Scouts - 56

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5x Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 194
    Rhino - Extra Armor, smoke launchers

    Fast Attack
    3x Blood Claw Bikers - 2x Powerfists, meltagun - 122

    2x Attack Bike Squadron - 2x Multimeltas 130
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    I'm one point over, I like to keep squads conformed with each other so I wouldn't want a stray bolt pistol hanging around with the big-boy bolters.

    I've also just started giving thought to not using the Wolf Scouts due to their use. They haven't been spectacular except for in one or two games. I'll have to see what I would swap them for if I do go with that route.
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    From list one to list two your HQ lost his belt and remained at the same point cost... and on your first unit of troops, instead of typing 5x bp/ccw's you typed 5c

    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123
    lol.

    You asked what I thought of it.

    *Edit*

    I think your too overloaded on anti-tank, and don't have enough anti-troop.
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    Well, I figure that the lists are slightly balanced but definitely edged more closer to close combat. After all, that's what the wolves desire.
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    Have you thought about dropping the Rune Priest for a Wolf Priest?

    That could free up some points and then from there you can add a few more grey hunters or blood claws... not too many more but extra bodies should give a little more survivability.

    Just a thought for you there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malkieth View Post
    Have you thought about dropping the Rune Priest for a Wolf Priest?

    That could free up some points and then from there you can add a few more grey hunters or blood claws... not too many more but extra bodies should give a little more survivability.

    Just a thought for you there...
    Wrong, the wolf priest is base 15 more points than the rune priest.

    500/500 and 499/500

    HQ

    Rune Priest - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade, Belt of Russ - 126

    Elite
    Wolf Guard Leader - Mark of the Wulfen, Frost Blade, bolt pistol - 62

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 189
    Rhino - Smoke launchers
    -------------------
    The variation to the above list:

    Elite
    Wolf Guard Leader - Wolf tooth necklace, Frost Blade, bolt pistol, wolf tail talisman, frags - 61

    This time he joins the blood claws in the rhino.
    ------------------------------

    750

    HQ

    Rune Priest - Bolt pistol, Frost Blade, Belt of Russ - 126

    Elite
    Wolf Guard Leader - Wolf tooth necklace, Frost Blade, bolt pistol - 60

    Troops
    6x Grey Hunters - 5c Bolters+CCW's, bolter and power fist - 123

    8x Blood Claws - 6x Bolt pistol+CCW 2x bolt pistol and powerfist - 189
    Rhino - Smoke launchers

    Fast attack
    3x Blood Claw Bikers - 2x Powerfists, meltagun - 122

    2x Attack Bike Squadron - 2x Multimeltas 130
    -------------------------------

    I don't think I can get the Wolf Guard Leader in with the mark of the wulfen without going over. Both 500 lists have pulled draws against pathofskulls grey knights so I feel that the lists are still competitive.

    In a 1500 vs. 2x750 game against pathofskulls with my friend who plays DA's we managed to draw yet again, partly due to a spectacular fluke from a lone powerfist biker charging and destroying an entire squad of sisters. However that game the blood claws got shot to pieces once the rhino got eaten alive by a well placed lascannon shot from one of his dreads turn one.

    I like the lists so far the seem to be more effective than the lists with the scouts. I won't count them out for good, I'll most likely use them in the higher point games where there's more tank busting to do.

    How do you guys like the lists now?
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    In a 1500 vs. 2x750 game against pathofskulls with my friend who plays DA's we managed to draw yet again, partly due to a spectacular fluke from a lone powerfist biker charging and destroying an entire squad of sisters. However that game the blood claws got shot to pieces once the rhino got eaten alive by a well placed lascannon shot from one of his dreads turn one.

    I like the lists so far the seem to be more effective than the lists with the scouts. I won't count them out for good, I'll most likely use them in the higher point games where there's more tank busting to do.

    How do you guys like the lists now?
    You two actually had a solid victory due to your two CC HQ monsters.
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    Lioke I said last night, I wouldn't call them monsters, maybe if you put tamed in front of that. I could make him worse, like by giving him a wolf tooth necklace and a few other things, but I honestly didn't give him much more all that's different than from before is that he has a Belt of Russ which gives him the 4+ save.
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