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    1.5k horde list sort of new to guard.

    well here is a list i found tell me what you think.

    HQ
    Command Platoon
    Command Squad
    Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Carapace Armour
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    70pts

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ Lascannons
    110 pts

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ Lascannons
    110 pts

    Troops
    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Heavy Support
    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire, Armoured Crew Compartment, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
    153 pts

    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire, Armoured Crew Compartment, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
    153 pts

    Total = 1506pts


    I'm really new to guard so any help is needed.
    This list is much different that the other list i posted being as it has much more men/meat shields...


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    This list is interesting. You have enough anti-tank in the support squads. Most times line squad comprise of a mix between anti-tank and anti-infantry yours is purely anti-infantry via mass diddly. In annilhation your kill points are gonna make your opponent cry with joy. For other missions though you have a whole lotta "Capturing things" units so.

    I'd suggest if you have no problems with money, try this out, and if it bombs buy heavy weapon squad boxes and you will have a like 4000points for Apoc fun. And the heavy weapons will make a standard 1500pt line list (they work well, but are all similar)

    I worry what you would do against a Nidzilla list?, or a long range army Tau, IG. You could get out shot at range.

    Against Space Marine drop pod list it would be fun cause the mass diddly "should" work i think, same vs a close combat army like dark eldar or eldar I think the pure numbers may work in your favor.

    Another thing leadership, It could be a mass retreat, whats keeping them all in line? In my 1500 with only 110+ guard I have a flag bearer and iron discipline. At the very least drop the plasma and carapace on the HQ and get a flag bearer.

    I really have no idea i dont wanna completely "thumbs down" it cause its different from the standard troop list, so I want to see it work. I'm skeptical though
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    HQ
    Command Platoon
    Command Squad
    Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon, bolt pistol
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    -one vet sarge with flag
    67 pts--?

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ Lascannons
    110 pts

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ Lascannons
    110 pts

    Troops
    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts

    Infantry Squad
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    60 pts
    220 pts

    Heavy Support
    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire, Armoured Crew Compartment, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
    153 pts

    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire, Armoured Crew Compartment, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
    153 pts

    Total = 1502 pts


    145 guardsmen including command squads and command platoon + the 12 in heavy weapon squads...
    Last edited by skrim d; November 23rd, 2008 at 03:15.

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    alright... he's my two cents. starting in reverse as i scroll back up to review the list

    the basilisks will most likely not need the extra armor or smoke launchers, they should be sitting in the corners trying to lob shots every turn. the same goes for armored compartment, it's just a bit too expensive for what it does. with this many points sunk into both basilisks, you might be better off using 2 leman russ battle tanks instead. give them both heavy bolters hull and sponson and they're 155 pts a piece, they may need line of sight but the armor is a vast upgrade.

    the infantry squads should have heavy weapons but it's not major that they do, special weapons on the other hand are greatly helpful as well. by standard most times you should include both in each squad as generally the two guns will still do more damage than the rest of the lasguns, plus they operate with increased range. but as said, playtest it for yourself and see what works.
    (i run my guys around the board too and i've found that sacraficing one guy shooting a lasgun while moving so i can have one guy shooting a missile launcher for those turns that i stand still worth it, and the grenade launcher... well at 24" move and shoot he's always firing even when the rest of the squad is still trying to get into range).

    for the command squads, either 2 special weapons or a 1 heavy weapon will do depending on how much you plan to move them. if there's spare points around, throw power weapons onto those officers as well, they're cheap and come in handy at times to kill a thing or two.

    another thing to look into is the doctrine Sharpshooters, primarily for your lascannon squads so you can reroll those crucial 1's to hit, otherwise even better morale effect against your opponent if they're on infantry squads too. but that's personal preference up to you.

    all that said, you may have to drop an infantry squad or two to get the points you need but you'll still have plenty of guardsmen anyways to make up for it.

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    for heavy like this?

    Heavy Support
    Russ w/ hull hb side hb's
    155 pts

    Russ w/ hull hb side hb's
    155 pts

    brings the total to
    1506

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    oh I almost forgot i tryed the list 2 hrs ago it did pretty good. his stupid fire warriors were annoying but when they got to the end of board they got owned by my flashlights and ran off the board... his hammerheads died 2nd turn cause of the lascannons so i think they are ok for the few things i need to kill with them. his suites were annoying but they finnaly went blind and fell to their death (massed flashlights ftw) and that was the end of that.

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    TBH I think you got lucky (did he use submunitions ie. ordnance template, I think thats the one). to fight this against my normal guard army you woudl die (not too mention if we were playing for kill points)

    Now that doesnt sound very constructive but it has a point. template weapons will destroy your army, my stnadard is grenade and missile squads, if I play my mech same again but with multilas heavy flamers and heavy bolters all over the place. Essentially the sheer amount of men you have works against you.

    Now if you do want to keep them all at least get some special wepaons, they will crack out some serious firepower and not really affect the speed of your list. To do this drop all of the bassie upgrades, armoured crew compartment is the only one that seems ok ish but TBH not really needed, if they are going for the bassies that much then you have won anyway.

    grenade launcher spam would work perfectly, they can get hits on armour, stronger creatures and simply are better than the lasgun you will replace.

    I have a list which I am building an army up for that uses COD and grenade launcher only squads, it has Russ and lascannon squads in as well. Now I havnt tested it but firepower wise I think it would do some serious damage to your list simply due to the grenade laucnhers.

    Hope that helps

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    here is my new list I have added in grenade launchers in all line squads and combined the 4 platoon of 3 squad into 3 platoon of 4 squad. also added suicide demo charge squad. I may change all ccw-las pistol to lasguns.


    drop troops


    HQ
    Command Platoon
    Command Squad
    Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    -one vet sarge with flag
    66 pts--?

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ 2 Lascannons 1 missile
    105 pts

    Anti-Tank Support Squad
    3 Heavy Weapon Crews w/ 2 Lascannons 1 missile
    105 pts

    Special weapons support squad ---- drop troops
    1 demo charge
    45 pts

    Troops
    Infantry Platoon -- a = 312
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 1a
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 2a
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 3a
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 4a
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Platoon -- b = 312
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 1b
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 2b
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 3b
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 4b
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Platoon -- c = 312
    Command Squad
    Junior Officer w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    4 Guardsmen w/ Lasguns
    40 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 1c
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 2c
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 3c
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Infantry Squad -- 4c
    Sergeant w/ Las Pistol, CCW
    9 Guardsmen w/ grenade launcher
    68 pts

    Heavy Support
    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire
    125 pts

    Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire
    125 pts

    Total = 1507 pts
    Last edited by skrim d; November 23rd, 2008 at 16:34.

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    Looking very good, think thats it form me on thsi one except to ask for more feedback on how it plays!

    Glad to help

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