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Hey guys, its been a while since I have been back here. Been busy with the moving and all that, and now that I have settle down, I can devote myself time to work on my army.
At this moment, the local store where I play at is about to host a league somewhere next month. As one of the regulars there, I am both expected to compete and am excited as well since this will be the first league/tourney our store hosts.
The rules are simple, we have to submit up to 2 army list, and that once we decided on which race we would be using, we have to stick with it until the league is over. We are allow to modify our lists, as long as it's two weeks before our schedule date to compete. Besides these, everything else follows the rules in the rulebook.
Since I am a space marine/tyranid player, I decided to use space marines as it offer more variety. (Plus I have much more effort and money worked into them as well)
At our store, the regulars we have that are also comepteing are; 2 other tyranid players besides me, 3 Chaos, 1 Sister, 2 Black templar, 1 Ravenwings, 2 Orcs, 1 Necron, 1 Tau, 1 Blood Angels, 2 Eldar, 1 IG. Besides these people, the rest are mostly made up of space marines.
I decided to base my list, one as range, the other as close combat to simplify things a bit for me.
Range List 1995pts
Master of the Forge -120pts
1x Tactical Squad
2x Scout Squad -360pts
+10 scouts, +20 camo cloaks, +2 missile launcher, +20 sniper rifles
+5 scouts, +1 missile launcher, +10 sniper rifles
3x Dreadnaught -315pts
2xLandspeeder Storm -250pts
1x Devastator Squad -150pts
+4 Missile Launcher
2x Predator -240pts
2x side lascannon
Close Combat/Harrased List 2,000pts
1x Th/SS Terminator
Land Raider w/ multi-melta
1xBike Squad, +5 bikers, 2x Flamer
1x attack bike, 1x multi-melta
2x Bike squad -550pts
+10 bikers, 4x flamer
+2 attack bike, 2x multi-melta
1x Bike Squad -140pts
1x attack Bike, 1x Multi-Melta
3x Predator -180pts
Please respond back and make any suggestions. Every little advide would help me out alot. Thanks in advance
Please tell me you forgot to add Drop Pod's on your Dreadnought's to your first list. The 12" Melta rule will be useless on these guys for the first 2-3 turns of the game. That's not including if the scenario is Dawn of War!
Don't forget to add the Multi-Melta to your first Tactical Squad, it's a free upgrade I'm sure you have it but you forgot to add it on your list.
On your second list consider making the Land Raider a Crusader instead as your TH/SS Terminators crave the assault phase and the Crusader can get into the thick of things while firing more shots at infantry. Looks good though!
Last edited by xanosaucy; September 21st, 2009 at 03:36.
Hey, thanks for the great feedback. The only reason why I didn't have any drop pod for the first list was because i was thinking of having them as defenders for my longer range units. And to mostly let them come to me while only the land speeder storm and vulkan would move forward and either claim or deny objectives, but i can see what u mean by how they would be useless for 2-3 turns.
A little update with the rules of the league, as I had a chance to looked at the rules that is almost finalized.
The most influential rule of the league is that we start at 750 pts. After each round, we increased it by 250, points and supposely by the end of the league, reach the max points of 2000 points. This way, the newcomers won't take too long to finish their games as besides a really small handful of regulars (about 6 players), everyone else is rather new at the games (some 10+).
Another rule that caught my eyes is that we can change our army and wargear around a week or two in advance before your round. But we cannot change our force orginazation charts. Meaning, if i started the 750 pt game with a captain and two scouts, my 1000pts game and so on must include a captain and 2 scouts. We can only change the number of model and also can change their wargear and weaponry. For hqs, we can only upgrade them, so for the captain, I can change him into Vulkan, but not the other way around. The only thing we can change in and out is the dedicated transports and also the retinues, since they aren't part of the orginazation chart.
I really like my second list, but as I have to start at 750 pts now, I'm in a real bind
That's easily solved though as you can switch equipment around. Just play the Captain as is with no Bike until you start to reach 1500, then slap a bike on him and play your Troops with Bikes if you're sticking with the 2nd list.
I just noticed you have 3x Predator's lol! I can't say I've had the pleasure of playing them w/o sponsons but it seems like a waste. Why don't you play with Land Speeders w/Multi-Melta instead to keep the speed plus these guys can boost your tank busting!
"A Space Marine Sgt. not taking a Powerfist makes as much sense as peeing with your pants on...you just don't do it." xanosaucy
Thanks for the quick reply. unfortunatly, if I start the list with the bikes squads as fast attack, even if I upgrade the captain onto a bike, they will still be consider fast attack rather then troop choices under the rules for the league. so the only way for me to have my two bike squad as troops choices is if they were troop choices at the 750 pts list.
As for the predators, i never used tanks before. I had been a troop heavy or bike heavy army list. I also never tried using landspeeders as well. I just figure the armor will be better at surviving then a open top. Plus if it look a bit itimidating then they would be the target as my bikes ran up and finish them off quick and nice.
On the note on bikes, do you think that cluster mines and scouts on bikes is worth it?
I was thinking of using;
1 scout bike squad -250pts
+7 bikers, 3 grenade launchers, cluster mine
On the note of the cluster mine, it says on the codex, about a unit that touches it, does it mean that only that one unit get affected by the blast of the mine, or the entire squad?
Also since regular scouts have ballistic skill of 4 now, does the scout bikes also get bs 4?
One last question, what kind of sponsors would you get for the predators?