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I enjoy building strange Guard lists that I think many armies would be unable to counter in a meaningful way. I have the models to play this and I might at some point but I wanted to bounce it off some people and get a nice discussion going, so take a look and gimme some thoughts.
CCS w/ Camo Cloaks and Lascannon
CCS w/ Camo Cloaks Lascannon and Astropath
1x Veterans w/ 3x Meltas and Demolitions
2x Veterans w/ 3x Meltas
PCS w/ Autocannon
5x Squads w/ Autocannons and GLs
PCS w/ Autocannon
5x Squads w/ Lascannons
Total = 1750
So I replaced a lot of the sub-optimal elements with optimal ones. I now have a ton of Alpha Strike potential, any army I go first against almost has to Reserve everything. I have three objective grabbers in Vendettas that can also bust tanks and MCs. I dropped the Reg. Standards because having a 4+ cover and Ld8 doesn't run all that often and even if they do I can rally with Orders, or Go to Ground and recover with Orders.
Typical plan is to flank deploy in Pitched Battle and make them come to me, using the Vendettas that come off the side to solve problems. In Table Quarters I make a long screen of Guardsmen and castle in a corner, using the screen for cover and to make staggered speed bumps against assault and movement. DoW depends on the army and mission I'm playing. I could fully blob and risk running or just walk on and use my deployed parts as screeners.
No missions is particularly bad for me. In KPs I can modify how many I have according to what I feel is needed and I have few easy to grab KPs, like transports. In Seize Ground I have three capable objective deniers/holders and can hold 1-2 near my lines with blobs. Capture and Control is good for me because it would be very difficult to lose my objective and they have to cripple 3 Vendettas to keep theirs.
I think this would be a fun list to play as it's different in many ways and gives a big middle finger to the metagame. I hope to test it sometime this month to see if it's as fun on the table as it is on paper. I don't look forward to the long deployments though. ><
So what do you think this is weak against or will have problems with?
Last edited by EmoJosh; June 17th, 2010 at 16:02.
The problem with Commissars is you MUST Blob, and blobbing is detrimental in 2/3 scenarios. It has no actual advantages over separate units. Even in KPs I wouldn't always blob, instead going on a case by case situation.
Creed would be nice, I don't have anything to Outflank with his ability which bothers me though. Maybe drop the Al"rahem unit for Veterans using Creed to Outflank? That'd be a bit weak on taking objectives though.
My reasons for blobs sucking is as follows:
Easy to tie up in CC.
No chance of fast breaking for return fire.
Can only shoot one target.
Harder to deploy defensively.
The benefits are:
Tarpit with Commissars.
Orders go farther.
The benefits are underwhelming in almost all games. Orders only matter for Lascannons, Autocannons do fine on their own in my experience. FRFSRF is situational but strong, if I felt it was needed I could do 1-3 blobs of 2 squads.
I'm not decrying blobbing, just relying on blobbing. Commissars defeat the purpose of a staggered gunline by making them hold. Ideally I break and win a war of close range attrition. No armies have more units than IG can run and the ones who come close in numbers are weak to Rapid Fire, i.e. Orks and 'Nids.
Commissars can be powerful with Creeds Order but that relies on A. Creed not dying. B. Buying 2-3 Commissars w/ Power Weapons. Being able to win a protracted slugfest where after the Charge, I'am exceptionally weak.
Creed is powerful but the Commissar blob is over-rated and easy enough to play around, in my opinion.
Revised the list in the OP.