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I am in a campaign with someone who plays Khorne. I need a good 1500pt list that can defeat him cuz so far he has killed me quite easily.
He uses usually a defiler, dreadnought, predator annihilator, lots of berzerkers, and a badass daemon prince who charges me on turn 2. So far i think i am going to use my chaplain(with a plasma pistol) and join him with an assault squad with 2 plasma guns and a sargeant with a powerfist and plasma pistol.
Now i am stuck on what to do with the remaining points to take down this fiend, any help is very appreciated.
Ah, i see the problem
He's obviously going to put his defiler behind cover and blast you away. If you stand back and shoot, you die. If you get into cc, you get raped. Im not an expert in countering 2 way strategies like this, but I might as well go over your unit choices to save up thinking time for the more expert players.
HQ is up to you, doesnt really matters
Veteran squads: they are quite good against cc armies such as khorne due to the fact that they get 3 power weapons per squad, but if the squad is too points costly it'll end up being first on the defilers list.
Terminators: I would NOT recommend these as they only get a 4+ save againt berzerkers. If you can get them to only fight the deamon prince they're good, but i doubt it.
Dreadnought: A fine choice hard to kill in cc and wont be a target for the defiler. Only the predator will have eyes on it
If you do field a squad of these, try not to make them too points costly. An alternative to it would be putting them in a transport so they dont get hit by the defilers BC. I seriously doubt the predator would want to blow a rhino up in the 1st turn.
Now heres the thing. Berzerkers only let you get 4+ saves in cc. Scouts only have a 4+ save so you dont get a disadvantage. They are cheap aswell, making the number odds go in your favour.
bikes I dont know much about these and i dont intend to, Not many people use these though.
Apparently the tornado variant is very popular because of its assault cannon. I'd put one in your army.
Hidden powerfists are always good. Plasma pistols are very good. Melta bombs are quite good. High points cost are not so good. Field a squad in your army
Devastators tend to cost lots of points and will be high on the defilers list. If you do field one, make sure the rest of your army can take advantage of them dying.
I'd put one in your army with Tl lascannon and lascannon sponsons to match his predator.
Now heres something good. People often complain about the short range of the vindicator but in this case its very good as the khorne berzerkers advance towards you.
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Anyway aside from this all I can recommend is your heavy support choices
1 predator annihilator tl lascannon lascannon sponsons
you only really need one vindicator really but 2 is just in case one blows up from his pred. If you take only one make sure it deploys behind cover until his predator dies. The key unit in his army is his defiler and his prince. your tactic should be to make sure he thinks that his defiler is constantly under threat, making him shoot at less important units advancing on it rather than some of your good units. The deamon prince can be beat in close combat. I know he can get into cc in turn 2 if he has wings, but the rest of his army wont catch up. You should use hidden powerfists to beat him and try and separate him from the khorne berzerkers following up.
I hope i helped
Sadly enough there is not much you can do against that DP but shoot it and pray that it dies. I can remember my battles against a friend who loved his world eaters. His DP was badass in every way. 9 strength 9 cc attacks that ignor armor saves and strike at I of 6. He ate through my chappy, assault squad and a tactical squad before falling to a single bolter armed marine who shot him in the toe. Against that DP it comes down to luck. If you have to fight it in CC use your chappy so your men won't run off and get run down without a fight.
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Emporer's Mane! that's one hell of a demon prince!!!!!!!!!
as an aside, my Space Wolves do very well against khorne. true grit, counter attack and long fangs are what makes them the supreme space Marine army, in my opinion
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Efficiency VS Point Cost VS Ease Of Use - Your best bets:
1) Chaplain led Assault squad - 2 plasma pistols, powerfisted sergeant
2) 8 man Devastator squad - 4 missile launchers
3) Land Speeder Tornado - HB + AC