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My first game today in a few hours. My friend is fielding his DE and this is his list:
My list (Kabal of the Bone Treaders):
1 HQ (267 points)
1 Dracon (DE Lord, HQ)
8 DE Warriors (Retinue)
2x Splinter cannons
8x Plasma Grenades
2x DE Raider Troops, 120 pts each, (240 pts total) each with:
5 DE Warriors
1x Splinter Cannon
5x Close Cbt weapons
1x DE Raider Troop, 128 pts, as above Raider Troops, but:
one warrior upgrade to Sybarite with pistol, close cbt wpn, gruesome talisman
1 Ravager (115 pts) with 2 disintigrators and one dark lance
267+240+128+115 = 750
read it and weep for your poor BA....
Here is what I have to combat him with:
HQ = Chaplainw/DC Chappy has Croz Arc, Plasma Pistol, Jump Pack, Rosarius = 230 pts
4 x (qty 7) tactical squads = Sgt w/CC, 4 Marines w/Bolters, 1 w/Plasma Gun and 1 w/Las Cannon at 130pts each total 420
HQ - 230
Tac Squads - 460
Total - 750 pts.
Any thoughts on list and tactics would be greatly appreciated.
The Las Cannons are wasted on DE. Even the Holy Bolter can take down a Raider. Raiders and Ravagers are open topped so they are Vulnerable to Blast/Template, look it up and exploit it.
These are the things I'd take against DE (and hate to fight against), pretty much in order:
His list needs slight tweaking, send him to the DE Forum Based on his list you're on the right track by taking as many troops as possible.
EDIT: his list looks illegal, Warriors have splinter rifles, period. You can't arm them with CCW.
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I barely know my BA, so I just have to trust he knows his DE. I wouldn't know if it is illegal or not. I know this guy well enough that if it is illegal, he does not know it. I wanted to go with some type of barrage weapon but at 750 pts I felt my options were limited and should stay with as many troops as possible.
Thanks for the reply
It doesnt actually matter if he has his warriors with cc weapons because the splinter rifles are rapid fire weapons anyway. (The two weapons would confer no bonus in combat.)
Also you should have posted this in the space marine lists section; that is why its their after all...
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oops.. thanks for moving it.
Deffinitely drop the lascannons. A single plasma gun is good enough, as it should be able to take down the raiders. I'd consider taking a Landspeeder with the extra points, just to chase his skimmers around in a dogfight so he can't hide them from your slow-moving troops. That leaves you 10 points to spare for some wargear...put a missile launcher in one of the tac squads and you're good to go.
Good luck. I hate pansies. Especially the dark-meat variety. :tongue:
OK, have at me. I got my arse handed to me. He stayed out of range of my foot slogging troops and just picked me apart.
He won the first roll and proceeded to wipe out one of my tac squads. I don't have a play by play but by the end of turn 5 I was finished. His disenegrators with blast marker was tearing me up, no scatter die on those, so he picked where he was hitting/placed blast template. The Dark lance on top of that was just tearing me apart.
The one bright spot was mt LC marines. I took down 2 Ravagers with them and a third with what was left of my DC. This was a 4x6 table and only piece of LOS terrain was in the center. I had nothing to hide behind.
I am convinced I need to get some FA units in there and I am going to keep the LC equipped marines. They have a 48" range. I never fired one round from Plasma guns as I was never able to get in range with them.
I am open to any suggestions for the next go round.
Ok brothers and sistahs, do not leave me hanging out here. I am looking for help!
I'm in the opposite boat, but similar situation to you. I just started back with 40k and decided to play the DE (duh!). Last week I got my *ss handed to me by the BA, so I'll give you my thoughts on the experience with these two armies. (BTW the only bright spot was when I got to kill off his DC chapie with an agonizer )
With your tac squads, let him close in to bolter range and let him have it. His saves STINK compared to your power armour saves, and bolters will tear thru nearly everything he's got. Use your longer range weapons to take down his 'paper airplanes' well before they get to you, that way you won't have to deal with the disintegrators. Same goes for Dark Lances. Missile Launchers are good against DE, as you're guaranteed to kill a few off with nearly every hit. Stay out of CC with your regular marines, that's what they make assault troops (especially Death Co.) for.
By wiping out his heavy weapons you'll force him to come to you.
DE are generally KILLERs in close combat, so make him come to you, and use everything you've got to make sure as few of them get to you as possible.
FWIW: I think BA are the worst marines to play DE against (at least the worst I've yet to play), because they've got great shooters (tac) AWESOME assault troops (DC) and that $&#% Baal Predator. They've also got all their crazy 'red rage' charges and 'ignore pain' rolls (or whatever). You should be able to at least give him a run for it, if not clean house.
Last edited by artificer; May 18th, 2006 at 19:50.
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Thanks for the feedback. I would love to have him come to me and get in range of my bolters, this wasn't an option as he just stayed out of range and hit me with these real nasty long range Disintegrators and Dark Lance. I had to come to him he picked me apart.
I was thinking of adding FA squads to corral him to my troops. I am hoping at the very least I will cause allot of damage. If he doesn't move at least having to deal with my FA will be enough of a problem where I can get the foot troops in range before they get obliterated. We are going to go at this again on Tuesday.