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    1500pts Vostroyan Firstborn (friendly)

    Okay, so the pretty Vostroyan minis sucked me in. I was looking to start a metal mini army, and the Vostryans are so new and shiny! Ooooh... shiny shiny gold Vostroyan carapce.
    :w00t:

    I tried like heck to stick to the Doctrines from the WD article, well, just because.

    The Doctrines are plain vanilla Vostroyan Firstborn. Not going to list the Vostroyan Doctrines, but everything you need to know is pretty much in the list.

    EDIT: Should now have all the proper point costs.
    Standard deployment with Basilisks in the corners under cover.
    Hvy Bolter squad near one Basilisk.
    2nd infantry platoon marches forward, while the rest is (yawn) fairly static.
    Sentinel can either sit in back to get infiltrators or advance behind 2nd platoon.


    HQ

    Junior Officer & Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Standard Bearer
    Mortar
    Honorifica Imperialis, Bolt Pistol & snazzy outfit on JO
    107pts

    Special Weapon Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Sniper Rifles
    85pts


    Elites
    Hardened Veterans
    9 Veterans & Vet Sgt
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    3x Plasma Gun
    Storm Bolter (on Sgt)
    Hardened Fighters
    180pts


    Troops

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Plasma Gun
    Medic
    Plasma Pistol & Power Sword
    116 pts

    Infantry Squad 1
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    105pts

    Infantry Squad2
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    105pts


    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    4x Flamer
    Plasma Pistol & Power Sword, Empty Vodka botlles
    Frag Grenades
    105pts

    Infantry Squad 1
    Carapace Armour
    Heavy Bolter
    Plasma Gun
    100pts

    Infantry Squad 2
    Carapace Armour
    Heavy Bolter
    Plasma Gun
    100pts


    Fast Attack
    Sentinel Squadron
    - Catachan pattern Sentinel, Hardened Fighter
    50 pts


    Heavy Support

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Heavy Weapon Platoon
    Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    Bolt Pistol on JO
    86pts

    Fire Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Hvy Bolter
    Sharpshooters
    110pts

    Last edited by subdermal; June 15th, 2006 at 01:32.

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    Okay, my 2nd revised list... taking out Infantry Squad 2 for an Armored Fist & some fire support Sentinels (including one Sentinel with Extra Comm).

    HQ

    Junior Officer & Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Standard Bearer
    Mortar
    Honorifica Imperialis, Bolt Pistol & snazzy outfit on JO
    107pts

    Special Weapon Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Sniper Rifles
    85pts


    Elites
    Hardened Veterans
    9 Veterans & Vet Sgt
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    3x Plasma Gun
    Storm Bolter (on Sgt)
    165pts


    Troops

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Plasma Gun
    Medic
    Plasma Pistol & Power Sword
    116 pts

    Infantry Squad 1
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    105pts

    Infantry Squad2
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    105pts


    Armoured Fist
    A.f. Infantry Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Plasma Gun
    Vet Sgt. w/Storm Bolter
    101pts

    Chimera
    Multilaser, H.Bolter
    P.m. stubber, extra armour, smoke
    105pts


    Fast Attack
    Sentinel Squadron
    - Catachan pattern Sentinel, Hardened Fighter
    50 pts

    Sentinel Squadron
    - Cadian Pattern Sentinel
    50 pts

    Sentinel Squadron
    - Mars Pattern Sentinel, Extra Comms
    65 pts


    Heavy Support

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Heavy Weapon Platoon
    Command Squad
    Lascannon
    Bolt Pistol on JO
    86pts

    Fire Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Hvy Bolter
    Sharpshooters
    110pts


    1500pts

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    What is the point of your HQ, keep it focused. You have some equipment for one who engages in combat, yet you also have things that that would be for a master vox Ld commander. So which is it, it is not ideal to have both.

    Drop the Special Weapons Squad, they are not worth their points.

    Drop Carapace armor on your guys, and try to get plasma guns into your lascannon squads.

    I would have an armoured crew compartment on your sentinels, as open-topped they are vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flakdragon
    Drop the Special Weapons Squad, they are not worth their points.

    Drop Carapace armor on your guys, and try to get plasma guns into your lascannon squads.
    True for both the Special Weapons & the Carapace, but it's a Vostroyan list that I'm trying to keep to the (admittedly rather silly) Vostroyan doctrines in the WD article... so I'm trying to keep both.

    Maybe a Demo Charge unit would be better than the Snipers, or dropping the unit altogether, but I want to try to keep the Sniper models in the mix... so as I retool this particular list, I'd rather keep these guys.

    If I drop a Sentinel (or two), I can add more Plasma... I'll test & see how it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by flakdragon
    What is the point of your HQ, keep it focused. You have some equipment for one who engages in combat, yet you also have things that that would be for a master vox Ld commander. So which is it, it is not ideal to have both.
    I could drop the banner guy, but it's mostly there to look cool.

    I guess I'm being lazy with the Vox. I'd have to order a bunch of the Vostroyan Vox guy or convert a bunch, so I'm trying to avoid it... but Vox is eventually in the plans for this list.

    Quote Originally Posted by flakdragon
    I would have an armoured crew compartment on your sentinels, as open-topped they are vulnerable.
    Very true. Perhaps I'll drop one Sentinel to free up points to beef up other parts of the army, with Armoured Crew Compartment a strong possibility.

    Thanks for the comments!

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    Just get some ratlings, but you need to get at least 5-6 for them to be effective. Use the sniper models though, so you keep the models and have the better ratling rules, ta-da lol.

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    lol, good idea but i think he wants to remain fluffy.... a good thing

    i like your list but i dont really like the vostoyan doctrines anyways, but it sure will look cool! sorry i cant really help

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    Hmmm... maybe I can do Ratlings, but then I'd have to "counts as" my Vostroyan dude into a Crapling. :x I could do that, but then I might really have to leave the Standard Bearer at home because he might be kind of embarassed... and I am trying to stick to the "official" Vostroyan doctrines.

    So here's an intermediate step towards ironing out this list.

    It does look pretty light in numbers & hard stuff, doesn't it? That Carapace really sucks out a lot of points... maybe I should try to move points around for Russes instead of the Basilisks.



    HQ

    Junior Officer & Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Standard Bearer (because he looks cool)
    Mortar
    Bolt Pistol & snazzy outfit on JO
    82pts

    Special Weapon Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Sniper Rifles
    85pts


    Elites
    Hardened Veterans
    9 Veterans & Vet Sgt
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    3x Plasma Gun
    Plasma Pistol & Power Sword
    180pts


    Troops

    Infantry Platoon
    Command Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Plasma Gun
    Medic
    Plasma Pistol & Power Sword
    116 pts

    Infantry Squad 1
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    Plasma Gun
    115pts

    Infantry Squad2
    Carapace Armour
    Lascannon
    Plasma Gun
    115pts


    Armoured Fist
    A.f. Infantry Squad
    Carapace Armour
    Plasma Gun
    Vet Sgt. w/Storm Bolter
    101pts

    Chimera
    Multilaser, H.Bolter
    P.m. stubber, extra armour, smoke
    105pts


    25


    Fast Attack
    Sentinel Squadron
    - Catachan pattern Sentinel, Hardened Fighter, Armored Crew Compartment
    65 pts

    Sentinel Squadron
    - Mars Pattern Sentinel, Extra Comms
    65 pts


    Heavy Support

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Basilisk
    -Indirect Fire
    125pts

    Heavy Weapon Platoon
    Command Squad
    Lascannon
    Bolt Pistol on JO
    86pts

    Fire Support Squad
    Carapace Armour
    3x Hvy Bolter
    Sharpshooters
    110pts

    67 soldiers, 5 vehicles
    1475pts... still have to figure out the best way to spend 25 more points... I could put the Honorifica back on my HQ or maybe my Hardened Vet Sgt... or scrap other parts of my list & build up my numbers a bit more... still deciding what to do.
    Last edited by subdermal; June 15th, 2006 at 06:52.

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    Please take off the carapace, you will always have men dying and paying extra points for a way to make them survive longer isn't good with the IG.

    Put the Honorifica on your JO definitly.

    Why does a sentinel have extra comms, whats in reserve?

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    I think carapace is one of the Fluff issues, and a doctrine ( yes? ) I'd suggest moving your support tema to HQ choice. Not only less points, but also better deployment.
    For those enemies who willingly move against the Supreme judgement, of the Divine Emperor of man kind, Eternal death shall be granted. Amen

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    The Vostroyans come with Carapace... they definitely have more armour modeled on them compared to Cadians, and Carapace is part of the "official" Vostroyan doctrine list, so I'm sort of stuck with it. It's not that I expect my men to survive longer with Carapace... it's just to stay in the Vostroyan theme. ^_^

    As for Extra comms... if the Escalation rule is in effect, then the big thing is that my Basilisks are off the board until I can summon them in from Reserve... so I'm planning the list with extra comms as part of the package. I'll probably change that Sentinel back to a Mars pattern guy with the comms... he's mostly there for the cheap comms & popping very light vehicles/light infantry.

    Honorifica will go back onto the list, but maybe on the Infantry Platoon's JO instead of the HQ... you were right in saying that it wasn't on the best spot on the list.

    ...

    I'll try to rearrange Hvy Weapon Squad though, even if that's also part of the dumb Vostroyan package... I still don't have to fill that slot since I have other good empty slots in my force list.

    I'll have to re-work what I do with the points for that Hvy Weapon command squad though... maybe another crappy Sniper team (since they sell the damn Vostroyan snipers in blisters of 2) or some other support squad on my HQ.

    I could potentially drop enough stuff to field a Leman Russ or maybe even a Demolisher (which would probably be the smarter thing to do), but I'd rather put more boots on the ground instead. The Vostroyan minis are just too nice to look at... :wacko:

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