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    new daemonhunters army

    what are the key units that a daemonhunters army needs to be successful? Not asking for points values or anything just want to know how the army works and with what units really.
    I'd like a grand master and some termies and a couple of units of grey knights, but I would also like a unit of witchhunters and a deathwatch unit. I would mainly be playing against Imperial Guard, Eldar and Chaos, so it needs to be able to adapt to all three really. Is this impossible to do and will I need to make 3 seperate army lists or can one army list battle all three? Oh and by the way, it would be a 2000pt army in all cases so is it possible?:wacko:

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    If you're interested in playing puritan DH, then there's a wealth of options available to you. You can have your GK termies, multiple squads of GKs, some allied Witch Hunter units, .... All is possible. I would recommend that you set your sights lower, however, to begin with. No larger than 1500 pts, 500-1000 would be even better. This way you can get a handle on how the units you hope to use work, and can work your way into the tactics and strategies that work the best for DH in general.

    In general, the DH army is a relatively conservative army. I often say it's a "finesse" army, because it's difficult -- maybe even impossible -- to be successful if you attempt to go all-out assault or all-out shooting. The core of any solid puritan DH army is multiple units of Grey Knights. They're neither the greatest shooters nor the greatest assaulters in the game. But they do have the best synthesis of shooting and assault capability for any basic troop in the entire game of 40K. GKs are the game's greatest generalists, which means that you have to coordinate them well with each other and with the rest of your army. You can't expect them to outshoot or outright slaughter everybody. You can't just throw them into any combat you want, nor can you simply allow them to be assaulted, nor can you let them get shot to pieces in a shooting match. The key to being successful is getting experience with the other 40K armies, their compositions, their strengths and weaknesses, and using that knowledge to take them apart at their weakest links while mitigating the damage you will receive from their strongest parts.

    I suppose that sounds like the way you should play any army, but it is especially true for DH because our core troops don't truly excel at anything in particular. They're just good. Really good, but that's about it. Learn to "scoot and shoot" -- keep moving and firing, using cover and The Shrouding for protection, until you have an opportunity to finish off a unit within just a round or two of assault. Most of the time, you don't want to enter a protracted close combat with your GKs or GKTs, even if it's a strong possibility that they'll eventually come out on top. GKs are expensive, meaning that you won't have enough models to just consolidate your way through an opposing force. You'll inevitably miss a few armour saves, and your numbers will slowly drop. So don't move in until you can put the finishing blows in place. Be sure to have support nearby in case truly nasty, tooled-up assault specialists tear into your GKs.

    About the only advice for building army lists is: Avoid overspending. Keep your wargear and upgrade purchases to a minimum. Build a solid core of troops first before considering the shiny bits and uber-elite units (like a GM and/or large GKT units). The Grey Knight, whether in power armour or terminator armour, is a virtually perfect model as is, vanilla. Spend your points on maximizing the number of GKs. Use ISTs and/or Inquisitors and/or inducted IG, and/or allied Witch Hunters to offer specialized services the GKs themselves can't provide, like fire support, special weapons, transports, etc.

    So, build an army list, post it, and see what feedback comes your way. Welcome to the DH!
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    Is an Inquisitor Lord in power armour or what? and is it better for an inquisitor to lead an army or a borther captain or grand master?
    If someone helps you with your query then you really should rep them, especially if that person is me, :D because that is obviously going to be really useful. :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by orcfishboy View Post
    Is an Inquisitor Lord in power armour or what?
    It never actually says. Only that he has a 3+ save. Most people assume that means he has power armour, but it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. It does mean that you have no need to buy power armour for your inquisitor lord, of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by orkfishboy
    and is it better for an inquisitor to lead an army or a borther captain or grand master?
    Impossible to say. Depends on the tactics and play style you favor. Depends on the army you build around him. Might depend on the opponent(s). Definitely depends on points level. A naked BC, even a BC with a psycannon, is the cheapest HQ choice available, so I think of him as "the best" HQ choice for small points games. But a decent, shooty I-lord with just 3-4 retinue models isn't so much more expensive as to be out of the question.

    About the only maxim I think should never be broken is when you consider taking a GM for your HQ. I would say never until big points games, 1700+ pts, say. Under that, use the BC if you want a GK hero to lead your force.
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    Thanks for your help
    If someone helps you with your query then you really should rep them, especially if that person is me, :D because that is obviously going to be really useful. :o

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