1250 guard list. new to guard

[Commissar_Davincos]

hey all getting back into 40k planning to start a guard army and was hoping for some pointers on my list.

company command squad
3 meltas
chimera
total 135

infantry platoon

platoon command squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher
chimera
total 100

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher
total 65

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher
total 65

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher
total 65

infantry platoon
platoon command squad
4 flamers
chimera
heavy stubber
total 115

infantry squad
commissar
power weapon x2
flamer
total 110

infantry squad
power weapon
flamer
total 65

infantry squad
power weapon
flamer
total 65

leman russ battle tank
lascannon
heavy bolters
heavy stubber
total 195

leman russ battle tank
lascannon
heavy bolters
heavy stubber
total 195

hydra

total 1250

my idea is to set up the shooty platoon and run forward with the other, was thinking of combining all the squads of the second platoon to give me a kind of hammer, backed up by the tanks.

anyway any and all comments welcomed, still trying to get my head around the guard (life long marine player) so im sure iv missed some obvious things .

[General Van Rensaler]

This is a pretty good start.

If you want to use the blob squad with power weapons, max it out to 50 guys. That way you can maximize your effect.

I'd drop the heavy bolter sponsons and heavy stubbers from the tanks, and possibly the lascannons as well.

For the first platoon command, you might try adding meltas instead of the autocannon/grenade launcher, since they're in a chimera already. Might also add another melta to the CCS, as you can have 4 special weapons (and take the heavy stubber from the PCS Chimera).

If you have the points left over, you could swap one of the LRBTs for a Demolisher. If you wanted to upgrade the hull weapon to a lascannon, the Demolisher is the place to do it (that way everything it fires is AP 2).

This is a good solid core that you could build up from there. Good luck!

[Commissar_Davincos]

thanks for the reply, iv taken your suggestions and altered the list. i couldnt find a way to squeeze more men into the combat squad without sacrificing important aspects else where, so im gunna risk it, they are mostly a distraction anyway. and will be first on list when i upgrade the points.

i beefed up the first russ cus i had the points spare.

Company command squad
4 meltas
chimera

infantry platoon
platoon command squad
4 meltas
chimera

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher

infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher

infantry platoon
platoon command squad
4 flamers
chimera

infantry squad
commissar
power weapon x2
flamer

infantry squad
power weapon
flamer

infantry squad
power weapon
flamer

leman russ battle tank
lascannon
heavy bolters

leman russ demolisher
lascannon

hydra

total 1250.

few weapon switches and a tank upgrade, gives me two melta buses some squads to shoot with and some to run with and tanks.

[General Van Rensaler]

Looking good...

something to consider though, is that if you drop the lascannons off the russes and the sponsons, you'd have enough for a vanilla infantry squad.

This would give you ablative wounds for the running blob.

It really all depends on what you want to do with those last few points.

[nacho cheese]

I would drop the power weapons the imperial guard rarely do good in close combat.
Like the General said drop the sponsons and laser cannons on the tanks to add more infantry squads or melta guns for your platoon squad that has flamers.

[Marrius]

Company command squad
4 meltas
chimera
good
infantry platoon
platoon command squad
4 meltas
chimera
good
infantry squad
auto cannon
grenade launcher
Personal opinion is that heavy weapons are best left out of infantry squads and should not be mixed with special weapons which are better in mobile squads since they have shorter range.

infantry platoon
platoon command squad
4 flamers
chimera

good

infantry squad
commissar
power weapon x2
flamer
as mentioned drop the power weapons
infantry squad
power weapon
flamer
fine

leman russ battle tank
lascannon
heavy bolters

leman russ demolisher
lascannon

hydra
wont last very long. What I would do is remove the Hydra and Battle Tank and pick up another Demolisher. You can never have enough demolishers.
total 1250.

opinions in quote.

[Frost89]

it is a long debate on the best place for HWT. the problem of having them in the 3x squad version is that a single S6 shot insta-kill a weapon team, while if they are in an infantry squad you have up to 8x extra wounds to spare before the heavies.

Surely you lose in mobility, but you can rebalance this with proper list-building.

[Marrius]

it is a long debate on the best place for HWT. the problem of having them in the 3x squad version is that a single S6 shot insta-kill a weapon team, while if they are in an infantry squad you have up to 8x extra wounds to spare before the heavies.

Surely you lose in mobility, but you can rebalance this with proper list-building.

Spare me the details scrub. I've been playing IG for over eight years and know the math. If you read carefully I stated that it was my personal opinion. I was not telling him that squads with heavy weapons is a horrible idea and he be a fool to do it. The choice is up to him and I frankly do not care how he builds his army. No offense to Commissar. The only reason I did state my personal opinion was do to the fact that no one else mentioned it. Commissar obviously knows the benefits of taking a heavy weapon into an infantry squad.