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slobulous · November 5th, 2009, 02:50

I didn't understand some of what you posted, please try to work on complete sentences and punctuation. Anyway, it's not truly cheaper than vets because you HAVE to take the PCS and minimum 2 infantry squads, a minimum of 180 points as compared to 85. They also have lower leadership and less staying power once they hop out of the Vendetta.

Commander Currans · November 5th, 2009, 05:06

Another idea would be to put all of these IG army lists that consist of nothing but Veteran Squads in Chimeras in the Space Marine Army List section. That is where they belong. As someone who spent an insane amount of money building a full infantry company (still painting it), it really irritates me when some knucklehead writes "best IG list ever" or "i won some roody-poo tournament with this list" and it is basically a bunch of space marine tactical squads and rhinos proxied by Imperial Guard models.

Sorry to be so angry about it, but this borders on treason...or at least heresy.

counterwavecounter · November 5th, 2009, 07:36

Common Mistakes
1. Officer of the Fleet
Sounds great, a unit that delays Reserves. The problem is that, more often than not, coming in late for Reserves is beneficial since less time spent on the table means less opportunity to lose kill-points and more opportunity to capture/contest objectives. So, the OF helps out the armies that it seems to hinder.

Dirty Tricks
1. Griffon + Medusa/Colossus
Use the Griffon to increase the accuracy of the more powerful artillery units via Multiple Barrage.

2. Combined Infantry Platoon + 1 Commissar with Regimental Standard Support
Makes for one uber-hard unit to push off an objective; that's not including cover saves.

3. Sentinel Assault
Great for tying up units in CC since the Sentinel is immune to Power Weapons and Leadership.

mareo · November 5th, 2009, 07:57

In my humble opinion, these can be easer if we can get a wiki of the IG.

Helga · November 5th, 2009, 10:53

I think there should be a good, both pro- and contra- argumented discussion on the following things:

- Sponsons on Russes
- Chimera weapons
- Autocannon via Lascannon
- HWS via Infantry squads
- Fast slot choises (flame/chem tanks, flyers, sentinels)
- SWS via PCS via veterans
- There should be a lot more but I can't remember it at the moment

Dirty tricks:

Total number of voxes, comissars etc. - It is not so obvious that you can take 1 for a platoon and just combine your squads if you need more stable fire. This is also useful because you often have only 1 CCS and combining squads lets you make all of your autocannons twin-linked.

Comissar - That doesn't seem so powerful, but if you run at least 1 platoon, you have at least 2 Infantry squads standing back and forming the gunline. If we talk 750 ( or 1000 ) pts lists, your opponent is very unlikely to field a horde of berserkers. If you combine 2 IS you will get 20-man unit; if they have a comissar, they are 20-man unit that is stubborn and has 9-th LD with reroll. They are very unlikely to run away after losing in CC. That means, should a Tyrant, or Daemon Prince, or Dark Eldar Archon, or Terminator squad charge them, they will be locked by the unit for at least 3 turns. If you position your troops wisely, you can force your opponent to charge them if he wants to charge anything at all. That will save all of the other troops (and CCS) and let them shoot freely for the rest of the game.

UPD:
Something got wrong and I didn't see comissars were already mentioned here. But I think it stays, anyway, it's a bit of other topic.

Ravendove · November 5th, 2009, 11:40

First off, thanks everyone for the fantastic response and contributions to this project. With all you guys on board I think we can really make this a valuable resource. I'll get on the case and add some of my own thoughts later this evening when I finish work. We'll let this run for a couple of weeks and then I'll compile the best ideas into one concise thread (and credit everyone appropriately).

Quote:

Originally Posted by mareo

In my humble opinion, these can be easer if we can get a wiki of the IG.

It probably would yes, but that defeats the point of having it all easily accessible from this sub-forum!

stayscrunchyinmilk · November 5th, 2009, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravendove

First off, thanks everyone for the fantastic response and contributions to this project. With all you guys on board I think we can really make this a valuable resource. I'll get on the case and add some of my own thoughts later this evening when I finish work. We'll let this run for a couple of weeks and then I'll compile the best ideas into one concise thread (and credit everyone appropriately).

It probably would yes, but that defeats the point of having it all easily accessible from this sub-forum!

Stayscrunchy grunts : "grunt".
I'll add a link to my fast attack guide, then write one on either troops, elites or hq at some point later. hmm... probably hq or troops as they're compulsory. prob hq as it's smaller, thus less writing.

ChadMS · November 5th, 2009, 18:08

Heres some more; don't think anyone's already mentioned it.

The Best of the Best

Colonel Straken: Straken is one of the few soldiers in the Imperial guard who excells in CC. He is well worth his points for what he does-cracking heads open with comtemptuous ease! He hits very hard, and is not easy to take down. Not only that but he gives everyone around him furious charge and counter attack. This is the man to lead an infantry charge, and with him at its head, 50+ guardsmen become very dangerous indeed. (A word of warning. Straken works best at the head of a horde, and will be a lot less effective in mechanised and/or static armies)

Scout Sentinels: These beauties are must in an Imperial guard army. Cheap, and effective. They are best armed with autocannons however, for their versatility. Scout Sentinels can use outflank to get behind your opponents battle line, and attack artillery, take out fire support units, and contest objectives. They can also use outflank to get into position to fire its S7 autocannon at a tanks rear armour.

Lord Borak · November 5th, 2009, 19:12

These are some quick lists i've thrown together. They're only 1000pts as thats what i assume most people will start towards.

The hybrid list. 1000pts. The army that can do a bit of everything and do it well. The best list, in my opinion, for a starting Guard player and Veteran alike.

CCS: Chimera, 2 Melta Guns - 125pts

Marbo - XXpts

VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts
VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts

Platoon - 170pts
PCS - Autocannon - 40pts
INF - Autocannon, G-Launcher - 65pts
INF - Autocannon, G-LAuncher - 65pts

Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts
Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts

The Mech list. 1000pts. (It's actually 995pts) For those Tread-Heads amoungst us.

CCS: Chimera, 4 G-Launcherss - 125pts

VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts
VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts
VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta guns - 155pts

Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts
Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts

Hydra, Hull H-Flamer - 75pts

The Infantry Swarm. 1000pts. For those amougst us who like getting people killed. Alot of people killed. This list has a solid fire base and lots of infantry ready to rush forward and die at your command. A total of 104 models.

CCS - Autocannon, R-Standard - 75pts

Platoon A - 555pts
PCS - Autocannon - 40pts
2x INF (Combined) - 2xLascannon - 140pts
2x INF (Combined) - 2xLascannon - 140pts
3x HWS, 3x Autocannon - 225pts

Platoon B - 370pts
PCS - 2x G-Launchers - 40pts
2x INF (Combined) - 2x Melta guns, 1x Commisssar with Power Sword - 165pts
2x INF (Combined) - 2x Melta guns, 1x Commisssar with Power Sword - 165pts

Not doing a Valk list as i should really be taking the Mrs for her birthday dinner.......She's watching me type so i think it's time to go............

Helga · November 5th, 2009, 20:32

And so, if it comes to list suggessions, I have one: let's not make a pre-defined 1000-pts list, but make a base (~900-950 pts) and give a list of extras that one can add to make it up to 1000. For example (that is the list I prefer myself, I do not think it is "the best of the best", but it did good enough on the last tournament):

List (Vendetta-based hybrid):

CCS: base one - 50 pts

Platoon A - 170 pts
PCS: 4 flamers (ride Vendetta) - 50 pts
INF: Autocannon - 60 pts
INF: Autocannon - 60 pts

Platoon B - 170 pts
PCS: 4 flamers (ride Vendetta) - 50 pts
INF: Autocannon - 60 pts
INF: Autocannon - 60 pts

Vendetta - 130 pts
Vendetta - 130 pts

LR Battle Tank, hull HF - 150 pts
LR Battle Tank, hull HF - 150 pts

Total - 950 pts

On the rest 50 pts you canchoose from the options:

- take GLs for infantry squads (10 pts for platoon)
- upgrade LR BT to Demolisher (15 pts each)
- give Vendettas HB sponsons (10 pts each)
- take 1 Comissar (35 pts)
- take Reg. Standart (15 pts)
- maybe I'm missing something, but the idea should be clear now.

I do not offer to make this one of the sample lists, just used it to explain what I meant.

November 5th, 2009, 02:50	#11 (permalink)
slobulous Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 22 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 33	<a onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outgoing/http_d1_openx_org_ck_php_n_a83f474f_amp_cb_46587945173');" rel='nofollow' href='http://d1.openx.org/ck.php?n=a83f474f&cb=46587945173' target='_blank'><img src='http://d1.openx.org/avw.php?zoneid=22572&cb=46587945173&n=a83f474f' border='0' alt='' /></a> I didn't understand some of what you posted, please try to work on complete sentences and punctuation. Anyway, it's not truly cheaper than vets because you HAVE to take the PCS and minimum 2 infantry squads, a minimum of 180 points as compared to 85. They also have lower leadership and less staying power once they hop out of the Vendetta. __________________ I WANNA GET STUCK IN WIT DA BOYZ

November 5th, 2009, 05:06	#12 (permalink)
Commander Currans Company Commander Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In The Company Command Squad Age: 30 Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 18	Another idea would be to put all of these IG army lists that consist of nothing but Veteran Squads in Chimeras in the Space Marine Army List section. That is where they belong. As someone who spent an insane amount of money building a full infantry company (still painting it), it really irritates me when some knucklehead writes "best IG list ever" or "i won some roody-poo tournament with this list" and it is basically a bunch of space marine tactical squads and rhinos proxied by Imperial Guard models. Sorry to be so angry about it, but this borders on treason...or at least heresy. __________________ Quote From This Week's Tournament: Imperial Guard Player: "What's wrong dude?" His Partner: "Don't you think it's time we get these f---ing Dark Reapers off our back? I f---in' hate Aspect Warriors!"

November 5th, 2009, 07:36	#13 (permalink)
counterwavecounter I Sincerely Want a Parrot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 429 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 24	Common Mistakes 1. Officer of the Fleet Sounds great, a unit that delays Reserves. The problem is that, more often than not, coming in late for Reserves is beneficial since less time spent on the table means less opportunity to lose kill-points and more opportunity to capture/contest objectives. So, the OF helps out the armies that it seems to hinder. Dirty Tricks 1. Griffon + Medusa/Colossus Use the Griffon to increase the accuracy of the more powerful artillery units via Multiple Barrage. 2. Combined Infantry Platoon + 1 Commissar with Regimental Standard Support Makes for one uber-hard unit to push off an objective; that's not including cover saves. 3. Sentinel Assault Great for tying up units in CC since the Sentinel is immune to Power Weapons and Leadership. __________________ "The man in the bowler hat is Mr. Average in his anonymity. I, too, wear one; I have no great desire to stand out from the masses." - Rene Magritte

November 5th, 2009, 07:57	#14 (permalink)
mareo Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36 Posts: 319 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 20	In my humble opinion, these can be easer if we can get a wiki of the IG. __________________ "The only valid test is combat; the only valid result is victory" Ardak Kumerian, Klingon Admiral.

November 5th, 2009, 10:53	#15 (permalink)
Helga Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 2	I think there should be a good, both pro- and contra- argumented discussion on the following things: - Sponsons on Russes - Chimera weapons - Autocannon via Lascannon - HWS via Infantry squads - Fast slot choises (flame/chem tanks, flyers, sentinels) - SWS via PCS via veterans - There should be a lot more but I can't remember it at the moment Dirty tricks: Total number of voxes, comissars etc. - It is not so obvious that you can take 1 for a platoon and just combine your squads if you need more stable fire. This is also useful because you often have only 1 CCS and combining squads lets you make all of your autocannons twin-linked. Comissar - That doesn't seem so powerful, but if you run at least 1 platoon, you have at least 2 Infantry squads standing back and forming the gunline. If we talk 750 ( or 1000 ) pts lists, your opponent is very unlikely to field a horde of berserkers. If you combine 2 IS you will get 20-man unit; if they have a comissar, they are 20-man unit that is stubborn and has 9-th LD with reroll. They are very unlikely to run away after losing in CC. That means, should a Tyrant, or Daemon Prince, or Dark Eldar Archon, or Terminator squad charge them, they will be locked by the unit for at least 3 turns. If you position your troops wisely, you can force your opponent to charge them if he wants to charge anything at all. That will save all of the other troops (and CCS) and let them shoot freely for the rest of the game. UPD: Something got wrong and I didn't see comissars were already mentioned here. But I think it stays, anyway, it's a bit of other topic. __________________ "...But the rest of the cows and market analysts call them mad. Well, twenty-three zillion bacteria said the same thing a hundred million years ago. And guess where they are today? They're still bacteria!" (c) Last edited by Helga; November 5th, 2009 at 11:01. Reason: Grammar :P

November 5th, 2009, 18:08	#18 (permalink)
ChadMS Yarrick Junior Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: UK Age: 15 Posts: 175 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 5	Heres some more; don't think anyone's already mentioned it. The Best of the Best Colonel Straken: Straken is one of the few soldiers in the Imperial guard who excells in CC. He is well worth his points for what he does-cracking heads open with comtemptuous ease! He hits very hard, and is not easy to take down. Not only that but he gives everyone around him furious charge and counter attack. This is the man to lead an infantry charge, and with him at its head, 50+ guardsmen become very dangerous indeed. (A word of warning. Straken works best at the head of a horde, and will be a lot less effective in mechanised and/or static armies) Scout Sentinels: These beauties are must in an Imperial guard army. Cheap, and effective. They are best armed with autocannons however, for their versatility. Scout Sentinels can use outflank to get behind your opponents battle line, and attack artillery, take out fire support units, and contest objectives. They can also use outflank to get into position to fire its S7 autocannon at a tanks rear armour. __________________ The Imperial Guard. The Conqueror, the Unstoppable, the Hammer of the Emperor, The Nameless heros who live and die so that the Imperium might endure. Last edited by ChadMS; November 5th, 2009 at 18:15.

November 5th, 2009, 19:12	#19 (permalink)
Lord Borak Drill Sergeant Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the Loft Posts: 1,488 Blog Entries: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 71	These are some quick lists i've thrown together. They're only 1000pts as thats what i assume most people will start towards. The hybrid list. 1000pts. The army that can do a bit of everything and do it well. The best list, in my opinion, for a starting Guard player and Veteran alike. CCS: Chimera, 2 Melta Guns - 125pts Marbo - XXpts VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts Platoon - 170pts PCS - Autocannon - 40pts INF - Autocannon, G-Launcher - 65pts INF - Autocannon, G-LAuncher - 65pts Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts The Mech list. 1000pts. (It's actually 995pts) For those Tread-Heads amoungst us. CCS: Chimera, 4 G-Launcherss - 125pts VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta Guns - 155pts VETS: Chimera, 3x Melta guns - 155pts Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts Demolisher, Hull H-Flamer - 165pts Hydra, Hull H-Flamer - 75pts The Infantry Swarm. 1000pts. For those amougst us who like getting people killed. Alot of people killed. This list has a solid fire base and lots of infantry ready to rush forward and die at your command. A total of 104 models. CCS - Autocannon, R-Standard - 75pts Platoon A - 555pts PCS - Autocannon - 40pts 2x INF (Combined) - 2xLascannon - 140pts 2x INF (Combined) - 2xLascannon - 140pts 3x HWS, 3x Autocannon - 225pts Platoon B - 370pts PCS - 2x G-Launchers - 40pts 2x INF (Combined) - 2x Melta guns, 1x Commisssar with Power Sword - 165pts 2x INF (Combined) - 2x Melta guns, 1x Commisssar with Power Sword - 165pts Not doing a Valk list as i should really be taking the Mrs for her birthday dinner.......She's watching me type so i think it's time to go............

November 5th, 2009, 20:32	#20 (permalink)
Helga Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 2	And so, if it comes to list suggessions, I have one: let's not make a pre-defined 1000-pts list, but make a base (~900-950 pts) and give a list of extras that one can add to make it up to 1000. For example (that is the list I prefer myself, I do not think it is "the best of the best", but it did good enough on the last tournament): List (Vendetta-based hybrid): CCS: base one - 50 pts Platoon A - 170 pts PCS: 4 flamers (ride Vendetta) - 50 pts INF: Autocannon - 60 pts INF: Autocannon - 60 pts Platoon B - 170 pts PCS: 4 flamers (ride Vendetta) - 50 pts INF: Autocannon - 60 pts INF: Autocannon - 60 pts Vendetta - 130 pts Vendetta - 130 pts LR Battle Tank, hull HF - 150 pts LR Battle Tank, hull HF - 150 pts Total - 950 pts On the rest 50 pts you canchoose from the options: - take GLs for infantry squads (10 pts for platoon) - upgrade LR BT to Demolisher (15 pts each) - give Vendettas HB sponsons (10 pts each) - take 1 Comissar (35 pts) - take Reg. Standart (15 pts) - maybe I'm missing something, but the idea should be clear now. I do not offer to make this one of the sample lists, just used it to explain what I meant. __________________ "...But the rest of the cows and market analysts call them mad. Well, twenty-three zillion bacteria said the same thing a hundred million years ago. And guess where they are today? They're still bacteria!" (c)

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