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th0r · January 14th, 2004, 20:00

I think Grey Knight Termies are better then Orgyns...I've never used them but Orgyns seem kinda useless ie. wouldn't make it to CC. Roughriders are a joke and look dopey ( on the GW Canada site theres a cool conversion for them... ). The only real option is to get some Grey Knights. I don't think wanting a CC unit in Guard is wrong. I mean not all games start you 24"+ away from your enemy.

VonBloodbath · January 14th, 2004, 21:03

I think there's a weakness within the 40K rules favouring CC...there should be a difference between close assault (i.e. shooting within 12") and CC, but there isn't, not really. If you get within 12", your opponent will charge you, even if he's not CC specific. (e.g. Tactical Marines will Charge IG, as they know they will win)...

IMHO that's the biggest flaw with 40k. The TAR go someway to redressing that by having you lose the attack for charging if you fire, and forcing you to charge the unit that you shot at (if you did)...

I've seen some optional rules for "firefights"...like in the last version of Epic, where you resolve close range firing in a similar manner to CC...it's interesting and would make a good optional rule, I think.

VB

10th Lyran · January 14th, 2004, 22:06

the exterminator is still legal, you just have to use the old rules from the old codex. you can even back it up by saying your army comes from a forge world or something like that

VonBloodbath · January 14th, 2004, 22:30

Well...assuming you are playing with friends who don't mind, that would be fine. for tournaments etc, you can use the IA book.

VB.

10th Lyran · January 14th, 2004, 22:52

that's why i changed mine to a leman russ

Phreedh · January 15th, 2004, 10:12

Does anyone else but me find this scenario sliiiiightly anal?

"Oh, you only have the old codex and not the IA Book? Sorry, then you can't use the tank"
"But... the rules, stats, points etc are all the same!?"
"Sorry, gotta have IA vol1"

Not exactly a problem for me, I have the IA book (which I think is a complete load of crap, considering how many filler pages it has... I mean, who wants eight pages of computer art of a chimera chassis in different colours?)

The actual content of the book is great, but that many filler pages are just... apalling. They could atleast have some pics with the actual tank models - but nooooo...

/Phreedh

10th Lyran · January 15th, 2004, 21:25

and that's why it costs so much. sooooo much fluff and useless stuff

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January 14th, 2004, 21:03	#32 (permalink)
VonBloodbath Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 72	I think there's a weakness within the 40K rules favouring CC...there should be a difference between close assault (i.e. shooting within 12") and CC, but there isn't, not really. If you get within 12", your opponent will charge you, even if he's not CC specific. (e.g. Tactical Marines will Charge IG, as they know they will win)... IMHO that's the biggest flaw with 40k. The TAR go someway to redressing that by having you lose the attack for charging if you fire, and forcing you to charge the unit that you shot at (if you did)... I've seen some optional rules for "firefights"...like in the last version of Epic, where you resolve close range firing in a similar manner to CC...it's interesting and would make a good optional rule, I think. VB

January 14th, 2004, 22:30	#34 (permalink)
VonBloodbath Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 72	Well...assuming you are playing with friends who don't mind, that would be fine. for tournaments etc, you can use the IA book. VB.

January 15th, 2004, 10:12	#36 (permalink)
Phreedh Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	Does anyone else but me find this scenario sliiiiightly anal? "Oh, you only have the old codex and not the IA Book? Sorry, then you can't use the tank" "But... the rules, stats, points etc are all the same!?" "Sorry, gotta have IA vol1" Not exactly a problem for me, I have the IA book (which I think is a complete load of crap, considering how many filler pages it has... I mean, who wants eight pages of computer art of a chimera chassis in different colours?) The actual content of the book is great, but that many filler pages are just... apalling. They could atleast have some pics with the actual tank models - but nooooo... /Phreedh