Inquisitor in 40K Scale?

[Proiteus]

Its a simple question, its just after reading about this Inquisitor Tournament at Warhammer World I'm psyked to play the game once again problem is most of my miniatures are in 40mm scale rather than the large scale mainly cause of the wider range of mins and scenery avaliable. So what are your thoughts about this?

[The_Giant_Mantis]

I can definately appreciate the puritan argument on this one.. The Inquisitor models are beautiful things, and converting in that scale must be really fun. Plus, there are certain problems with 40k models.. 40k is full of space marines and anything less than a bolter is worthless, playing in 40k scale can easily scrub out modelling options for some of the less powerful and more characterful choices out there. Who outside of necromunda has a stubber, anyway?

However, I've only ever played in 40k scale. Yes, Inquisitor models are beautiful, but building a half decent cast of them, let alone scenery and so forth, is going to be time consuming and expensive. I just can't afford that, in either case.

[Precinct Omega]

Its a simple question, its just after reading about this Inquisitor Tournament at Warhammer World I'm psyked to play the game once again problem is most of my miniatures are in 40mm scale rather than the large scale mainly cause of the wider range of mins and scenery avaliable. So what are your thoughts about this?

I've not voted either way. In principle, I encourage 54mm play for a number of reasons: practically, it forces players to be imaginative and original when considering their options for models and characters, rather than just plucking a handful of models from their favourite armies. It also tends to restrict players to just two or three models because of the extra expense and effort involved in acquiring and painting 54mm models. Both of these factors create a better player environment even when dealing with relative beginners to the game. More esoterically, those of us who have player at both scales tend to agree that the 54mm game just feels more intimate and immediate than the 28mm game. It's hard to explain until you've tried it, but I think it's because the 54mm models actually look like real people, rather than being the cartoony, heroic scale table-grunts of the 28mm scale. It makes it more natural to relate to and respond with the characters. But I could be wrong about that.

I think the terrain argumen is specious. Trees, hills, gothic ruins, COD terrain, walls, fences, barrels, rubble, roads, rivers, pools, swamps... these are the core elements of 90% of terrain collections and they all work just as well at 54mm as at 28mm. I routinely play at WHW and even the NEC terrain boards, with their half-sized doors and hobbit-sized buildings work just fine at 54mm thanks to the claustrophobic passages and alleys. The more generic COD boards and open green spaces with trees and hills and ruins work perfectly.

That said, I think that playing at 28mm is a perfectly legitimate way of introducing players to the game. I happen to have a collection of over thirty 54mm models (all with backstories and character sheets) that I can use to show new players how the game works, but I appreciate that not everyone has this luxury (it's taken me six years to build up with much speculative sniping on eBay and careful networking with fellow players, as I'm far from flush with cash and can't afford to splurge on models when I have two children to look after). So starting with 28mm models is a good start. For those in NZ and OZ, who can only get 54mm INQ models from UK Mail Order, I totally appreciate that they have to focus on the 28mm game. And there have been recent examples in this and last year's Golden Demon awards of fabulous 28mm warbands and characters that would be perfect in Inquisitor. I've actually sold off most of my 28mm INQ models, but I used to have a 28mm warband myself that was the first I used in a campaign.

Nevertheless, if you start a 28mm INQ campaign without being very specific when it comes to the character parameters (and I tend to think that being that specific goes against the spirit of the game), you do tend to find Space Marine Kill Teams, IG veteran squads and power armoured Inquisitors with Crusaders and Gun-Servitors rather dominating a game that really should be more about the use of intelligence and tactics rather than merely establishing right through superior firepower.

R.

[Proiteus]

Normally I agree with you but that was before those greedy bastards at GW HQ decided that Inquisitor wasn't making the cash and discontinued half the miniature range.

So unless your an expert with Greenstuff, you can't really convert the remaining minaitures to look unique I mean look at the amount of Typrus Model conversions mainly due to him being the only male 'human' power armoured miniature.

I'd love to make a armored Techpriest model but how am I going to accomplish that without using the Typhus model as a base?

[Zema]

i voted yes, if i ever play inq (i hear the rules are quite fun) i'm going to be playing it with my "regular" models, the inq range is just too expensive for me!

[Precinct Omega]

I'd love to make a armored Techpriest model but how am I going to accomplish that without using the Typhus model as a base?

Sorry, what?



Seriously, though: GW is not the only company to make 54mm models. I have models in my collection from Andrea Miniatures and I'm also paying close attention to Pegaso Models. And go take a look at Pizarro Miniatures new Ogrum model - whoa!

Plus, there're other occasional ranges, like the LOTR 54mm range (not from GW). I turned a wraithlord into a techpriest Dark Mechanicus:

Like I said, it forces you to use your imagination.

But even if you want to restrict yourself to GW minis (as you have to to take part in the GT in December), there are loads of options. Check out this classic Ogryn model that's now Squat engineer in my rogue trader's crew:

(He actually has three arms, that each attach to his bionic arm with small magnets)

Then there are loads of other options. The daemon prince models make great chaos magi. The new spawn work fine at 54mm. I've converted Buhrdur into a mutant chief. And whilst the existing range is smaller than it was (and smaller than it should be, IMO), it's still got some great pieces in it that mix and match beautifully. The lack of power armoured characters is hardly an argument against using the existing range!!

Regards,

R.

[Precinct Omega]

the inq range is just too expensive for me!

Pathetic excuse. Anyone would think that eBay didn't exist! I haven't paid full price for an INQ model for years.

R.

[Zema]

Pathetic excuse. Anyone would think that eBay didn't exist! I haven't paid full price for an INQ model for years.

R.

in holland i have never, in 3 years in this hobby, seen second hand INQ-models offered on ebay or the dutch versions of ebay... they might be offered in the uk, they sure as hell aren't here

[Precinct Omega]

I can't speak for Holland, of course. But they come up on the French, Belgian and German versions of eBay fairly often, as I know people who've bought their models there. Set up a "Favourite Search" of "(Inquisitor, 54mm)" in the "Toys and Games" section (or whatever that is in Dutch) and you'll see all the 54mm models and Inquisitor models available daily.

I'd be prepared to bet that you can pick up at least one Inquisitor model for less than 10 Euros within a month.

EDIT - http://speelgoed.search.ebay.nl/inqu...rQ2cQ2054mmQ29

Oh, well will you look at that!

R.

[Gunny]

I'd love to play in 54mm, and I do indeed have one 54mm character from back when =][= was sold in GW shops, but living in this far off British Penal Colony (i.e. Australia), means my plans to get back into =][= had a spanner thrown in them by the removal of the Inqy miniatures. So it looks like 40k size is the way to go.

I guess the plus side is it's cheaper, but not as cool. But at least we have Daemonhunters, Witchhunters etc 40k scale miniatures.

When I was a little tacker, I used to love 40k, but I can't justify the time or money to build up 100 miniatures. On the other hand, with some greenstuff and my leet modelling skills, I can get 10 or so miniatures and have enough for three people to play with!