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    Lizardmen History?

    I just wanted to know a few things about our Lizardmen History, would we have a certain kind of grudge/hated for the Dark Elves because of their constant raids on Lustria e.g one of our stolen that we reclaimed/got back? a grudge/hatred for the Vampire Counts along the coast of Lustria (Vampire Coast)?

    Wouldn't there also be remnants or packs of Orcs & Goblins, Beastmen & Wood Elves patrolling the jungles of Lustria (being wooden areas)? & don't we also have other Lizardmen armies in different parts of the world e.g Southlands, in & around Dragon Isles fighting Tomb Kings/Ogre Kingdoms? thanx.

    All helpful info is well appreciated.

    p.s this question is just to add a little bit extra into my games & probably create some 'what if' battles too hehe.


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    Well, more than anything, the Lizardmen hate the Daemons.

    Essentially, the Lizardmen were created by the Old Ones, star-faring gods who erected to massive portals at each pole of the planet. They created the Lizardmen as a force to do their will upon the surface of the planet, and to govern it much like Adam and Eve were to govern the Garden of Eden. From there, the Old Ones began to experiment with their ability to create other races.

    The first race created after the Lizardmen was the Elves. They wanted a race that had powerful magic to combat Chaos (hereto unknown in the WHFB world), that could be long lived, and could be the craftsmen and artisans among the world. They saw that Elves might be corruptible, thanks to their constant mingling with the forces of magic, so they created another race- the Dwarfs.
    The Dwarfs were supposed to be incredibly resistant to the temptations of magic. They too would be craftsmen, but of weapons and armor and fortifications, and they would be stalwart warriors, with long lives to match those of the Elves and Slann. However, they were so resistant, that they were utterly incapable of using magic in it's raw form (Spells, hence the Runic items instead).
    Finally, the Old Ones created a new race- Man. Men were the great equalizer, with a capable affinity for both magic, craftsmanship, and warfare, but by no means masters of any. They were given a choice, rather than having a role forced upon them, however this freedom came at a price- Men would be brutally short lived, so that no one man could truly change the fate of the world.

    The Orcs simply appeared, simply out of nowhere. Originally, they were the only "foe" that any of the races had, and they weren't a great threat. But then the Northern portal collapsed, created what is now called the Realm of Chaos. Warpstone fell to the earth and Chaos washed over the continents, creating the Beastmen, and laying the seeds for such heinous deeds as would create the Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos. It is rumored that this great cataclysm is when the colonists that would become Chaos Dwarfs lost contact with the larger Dwarf empire.
    Daemons then poured from the Southern gate, and waged war upon the world. Their first strike was to attempt to kill the Lizardmen, namely the Slann, who were the literal 'hands' of the Old Ones. The Lizardmen held out, but at great costs, as their civilization was dealt a crippling blow, leaving them a mere shadow of their former selves. The Spawning Pools that were captured and tainted during the battles became breeding pits for the Skaven, mutant Lizardmen (yeah, I don't know why they wrote that in but whatever).

    The Elves prevailed, but Aenarion laid the grounds for the great Sundering that would create the Dark Elves and leave the Wood Elves abandoned in the Old World. The Lizardmen are said to have had a hand in Caledore I's creation of the vast magical portal that keeps the Winds of Magic in check, and keeps Chaos from overrunning the world.

    After the war, the Lizardmen mostly retreated back to Lustria, leaving the Southlands as their only other holdings. They then created the dense, impenetrable jungle that Lustria is known for, as a means of natural defense. The Elves continued to expand, exponentially now that they were not held in check by the Lizardmen, and it would not be until the Sundering and War of the Beard that they would ever retreat to Ulthuan.
    Without the guiding hand of the Old Ones, the Lizardmen have turned to ancient plaques left behind. Slann devote their entire lives to deciphering these plaques, and trying to discern to the great plan of the Old Ones in order to shape the world.
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    So that's the history of the Lizardmen, and in turn, the whole Warhammer World (according to the legends of the Lizardmen).

    As for their enemies?

    There are no Wood Elves in the New World. They were never there to begin with, as the Elves didn't venture into the New World until Malekith fled there during the Sundering. Because of this, the Dark Elves and Lizardmen have gone to war in the past, and the Lizardmen have aided the High Elves in battles against their darkling kin, but this is actually rare. There is a band of mountains between Lustria and Nagaroth, and the Dark Elves would rather sail to Ulthuan than make difficult jungle raids.
    There are likewise no Beastmen. As Beastmen are corrupted humans, they only exist in the Old World or anywhere that you may find the race of Man. Man hadn't spread to the West, as again- the Lizardmen kept them in check as per the plans of the Old Ones.

    The Orcs and Goblins have never reached further West than Ulthuan, when Grom the Paunch invaded and was turned back at Tor Yvresse by Eltharion.

    As for fluff on the Vampire Coast- there's very little. There is only an official blurb about it in the VC armybook, discussing a band of pirates taking on the body of one Harkon, who turned their entire fleet into undead and settled on the coast of the New World. I would assume that yes, they do fight, but that if the Lizardmen really cared, they would wipe the town out entirely.

    Second to the Daemons, who led to their downfall and also represent a foe that they were predetermined to face at their very creation- they hate the Skaven. Skaven are mutant Lizardmen, an abomination above all others and a complete perversion of the Old One's will. Furthermore, Clan Pestilense used the undersea tunnels (also used by the Dwarfs, and the Dark Elves) to launch a massive raid on Lustria. They spread plagues that wiped out entire cities and fought a war that lasted for almost a decade. Finally the Lizardmen repelled the invasion, but again- at a great cost.

    The Lizardmen do send armies outside of Lustria. It's never been recorded as territorial conquest however, rather, they are trying to change the course of history and act out their interpretations of the Will of the Old Ones. They are the true neutral in the world, opposite the Orcs. Where the Orcs are a force of wanton destruction, and therefore side with Chaos, the Lizardmen are a force of unflinching Order, and their mission is to stop the spread of Chaos. If this means that they must wage war against the High Elves, or and other "order" race, then they will do so without question. If it means that they must aid an enemy, they will, but only if it furthers the Plan, or defends against the spread of Chaos.

    There you go- hope that helps.
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    Yes thanx CaptainSarathai that helped out quite a lot, because i knew about their conflict with the Daemons & the Skaven (their mortal enemies), i mainly just wanted to know if they would challenge anyone else but now thanx to what you just pointed out 'their interpretations of the Will of the Old Ones' that's just given me some new ideas/scenarios to create hehe.

    I know there is a few Lizardmen skirmishes in the BRB too, on pg.174-176 'The Years Of Conflict' (the Lizardmen invading Nehekhara & Warriors Of Chaos travelling to Lustria for glory), i also read something about a Bretonnian Crusade that was annihilated by a the Lizardmen army & plus the one's i previously mentioned: Ogre Kingdoms (Dragon Isles) read about this some where, Dark Elves & Vampire Counts, not that any of these are their biggest battles/conflicts but still a few more ideas.

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    Hi, I have been away from these forums for quite a while (left mid fluff wars 2010) and its good to see ol'cap still prowling and doing his thing!

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