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Hey guys I am new to warhammer fantasy and have a fair sized army. My friend also started with me and he chose hordes of chaos (the marks tzeentch and slaanesh) with me choosing lizardmen. Now that we have been collecting and have around 1500 points each we want to battle soon. With that I was hoping someone could give me an army list or at least some tactics/strategys to help me beat my friend. Thanks alot in advance and am hoping for an army list. I do know that chaos is a very good melee race with almost now ranged attacks so i was thinking salamanders in there but you guys tell me.
What type of army is he playin, mortal or daemonic? Also, what type of units do you have? More information would be very useful. Does he switch between slaanesh and tzeentch, or does he do an undivided general with them as heroes. With more information it will be easier to give you tactics. For start I will say, chaos warriors are slightly better than sauruses, but they will have less models in their army, so flanks are key. Chaos also has armor saves, so use your skinks for marauders, warhounds, and other such things. A Stegadon coul break a lot of things on the charge if you have one. Use it to charge tzeentch marked units, they aren't immune to psych like slaanesh. A slann and scar-vets could be a good combo for you, or a few scroll caddies, an oldblood and a scar-vet.
Thats all I can really say without more info.
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Helo and thnx for the help so far. He uses both tzeentch and slaanesh together and is daemonic. The units that I have so far are 1 pack os 2x saurus warriors, stegadon,
2x slamander hunting pack, skink mage priest, slann, skinks with (lowpipes), a unit of teradons, and a saurus oldblood. WHich brings me to around 1500 points wise. and if there is any unit that would help me I will most likely buy and add to my army. I just got into some money so picking up a pack or 2 wont be a problem. The points do not really worry about we are not going to be to picky about what point level to use so if you give me a list that is say 1650 dont wqorry about it but please try not to exceed 1700 thanks alot and if you need more information just let me know
O and sorry i must sound like a huge noob at this game (which i am lol) but what is the caddie scroll (use the full name please) i know all about scrolls and how to use them and stuff like that. So please while helping me please use the full names of units unless of course it is quite obvious as to what that unit is. And if caddie is not an abbreviation please let me know and ill look through the lizardmen book again. THANK YOU
A "scroll caddie" is a low lvl wizzard who's sole purpose in life is to carry dispel scrolls. A lvl 1 priest with 2 scrolls would fill this role.
Onto the actual matchup, it can be dificult if you do not have a strong magical advantage. However, with the Slaan, you should have easily enough casting dice. If he is Tzeentch, he may have planty of his own power dice. The result could be that both of you are casting quite a good bit of spells. If he's using Slaaneshi sorcerers, and Tzeentch marked units... he's a mean, mean person, lol.
Saurus are pretty good in this matchup. Their extra attack pretty much evens out against the chaos warriors WS and I bonus. The two should be evenly matched, and yours are slightly cheaper. Things to watch out for though are chaos knights, and chariots. Chaos knights can best anything of yours in combat, and multiple chariot charges will break any unit.
I would recommend taking good sized units of skinks, and really focus on out-manuvering him. Poisoned weapons work wonders on his high toughness units. Kroxigors used in conjunction with skinks could also be very useful. Try to neutralize his fast units with magic, and then gang up on the slower ones.
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I would get one more salamander for a unit of 3, that gives you a lot of skinks for them to eat with a misfire, and more shots to hit with. With under 2000 points you can't run your slann, or oldblood, so I would go with a scar vet and 2 skink priests has your heroes. With both marks it means he has an undivided army, and with a daemonic general, he can only have a max of 2 heros (daemon takes two hero slots). The daemon can cast up to lvl 2 spells from the basic lores if he wishes, but not the special lores becuase he would need to be marked. Do you know what his other hero choice is? I would assume either a slaanesh caster, or a tzeentch exalted champ, correct?
With a daemonic army he will have less, and smaller units. Mortals are specials, so you wont see many chaos warriors or knights, though there can still be a few. This also means that he will have less power dice bonus from tzeentch marked things, since horrors or screamers don't give you the dice.
Skinks and salamanders can take down a daemon, if you use all of your shots on them, its just probability. Salamanders you don't even have to worry about terror from the daemon, since they cause fear. Skinks however, keep over 6 inches away or their crappy leadership will make them run away.
Your sauruses can take down daemonic units pretty easily, and if you give your scar-vet a magic weapon, he will ignore the 5+ ward save that daemons have.
A sample list could be:
Scar-veteran - Magic weapon, and enchanted shield. Mark of tepok
Skink priest - 2x Dispel scrolls, level 2
Skink priest - Diadem of Power, level 2
3x10 Skinks with your choice of shooting/scouting
15 saurus w/full command mark of tepok
20 saurus w/full command
This is a basic list, and since I don't actually play lizardmen myself, you may want swarms or the terradons instead. Kroxigors can tear up any knights or warriors if he takes them, or get flanks of daemon units. If he was playing mortals, I would prefer the stegadon to the salamanders to tear through armor. Consider the pirahna blade for the scar veteran, it will do the exact same thing and more than the blade of realities, since it does two wounds against all models(though this doesn't matter against rank and file, its great in challenges for overkill, or for killing the general.
Hope this gives you some good ideas, more information on what your opponent has can help us formulate a list against it.
wow thnx alot master jabu an everyone. The advice was more then i excpected and i will surely try to find out and make a list of the units he has. Luckily he does not know of this site so he wont know wat im planning. Mind u finding out his units will be hard cuz he wants to keep it all on the low-down till we fight so I cant prepare but the odd times he leaves me to go to the washroom or grabn a drink ill write down as many units as I possiblyy can . Pull of some mission impossible stuff :ninja: . Well thnx again and in a few days ill pick up thoughs models and try to get the names of his units. Thanks alot again.
P.S. Ill also let u guys know who wins the battle after this is all said and done lol. But with ur advice I cant possibly lose (unless the dice are rigged).
Heh your welcome and good luck. Dice can be evil, and by no means is chaos a pushover. If he does tzeentch and slaanesh, watch out for lots of magic potential, horrors can cast their own spells. Looking forward to hearing about your battle.
and you said to consider using the piranha blade instead of the blade of realities yet i would say me using the blade of realities would be a better choice because it ignores al ward saves and wounds are doubled against daemons which he will be using. the pranha blade only multiplys wounds into ttwo wounds after armour saves and wat not which the blade of realities does plus the ignore ward saves. So with that I would say using my blade of realities would be a better choice then to us the piranha blade. If there is something i am not seeing or some hidden reason for using the piranha blade please let me know. ME being new at this i am most likely missing something.