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basically what the title says, i was just wondering has anyone ever used Kroak? yea he has the most powerful stats in the game magic wise, and is he any good and can he earn his points back?
i might try him out in a 3000 pt battle and see how it goes, though i wish i had the model:cry:
I used him once, 2 year ago in a huge 6000 pts per side battle (2x3000pts lizardmen vs 3000pts khorn beastmen and 3000 pts VC on a 16'x4' table). He didn't make his points back, but Ruination of cities was very nice to use!!!! He actually was worth it, just because of the "terrain control factor". A bit like having a basilisk at 40k! But 3000pts is not enough. The other 3000pts from the other lizzie army could cover for me while my tiny army blasted from afar and from close up (I had tons of skinks and Kroak plus a few other gimmicks I don't remember).
Well, I've seen a guy in my area use him around 5 different times @ 2000 points (crazy no??) Each time I'd say Kroak has killed roughly...oh say...1000-1500 points of shit per game. Every game the Lizardmen player massacred his opponent, game was usually over by turn 3 or 4. So if you know what your doing, Kroak has the potential to dominate, he's the most powerful mage in the game, including Teclis.
I have used him once and it was at a campaign 6000pt attackes Vs. 3000pt defenders.
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I've never seen him used, i guess its just the obscene amount of points that scare most people away. However, i have seen kroq-gar and his cold one army......ouch.
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i havent seen him used yet, but in a week there is going to be a 2250 tourny, and someone is going to be using him with 30 temple guard. talk about a small army. not to mention cheap army. considering Kroak is the only 1st generation slann, which makes hime the most powerfull magician in the entire game. He beats the pants off all the chaos and High scorcerers.
I wouldn't use him for a couple of reasons. I'm not generally a fan of using special characters, and he does take an absolutely enormous chunk of your army. If you think about it, in the O&G list you can get Grimgor, Gorbad and Azhag for the same cost, with points to spare! Or perhaps Tyrion and Teclis for the HE....
I think that he is probably used a bit though. One 'scenario' that comes to me is that someone is going to fight a huge battle, but is quite short on the amount of points. How to size up the army in a hurry? Hmm...buy Kroak! He is a relatively quick and cheap (in cash,-to-points ratio) way to bulk up on points for big games. And a darned cool model. I think I prefer the carnosaur though
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I don't really see why Kroak is worth the points. He is certainly more powerful than a fully decked out 2nd generation Slann, but is he 600 pts more powerful? In a 3k game w/2 lords, you could use 2 fully decked out 2nd Generation Slann for the price of one Kroak, and together I think they would be far, far superior in magical power. Just my thoughts. I would probably give Kroak a go for fun if he was a few hundred points less (Maybe 900, 1k max)
I never use special charactes in games, but I can imagine a kid rolls into GW for a 2000 points battle with Kroak and 20 temple guard and thats it. That I would laugh at heartily. I can also imagine the army winning easily as even it was a dwarf army with all hero choices taken up by runesmiths and runelords kroak would STILL own the magic phase. Also helps that temple guard are good fighters too
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it's just that i'm thinking of getting Kroak for the model and occaisionally a siege, but, most of the time i might use him as a 2nd gen. slann for my armie's fluff plus a second slann will be great in 3K points and up games, 3000points games with TWO 2nd Gen. slanns! great 8D
but does he ever get killed though...