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Crowe - I hope i am reading this wrong.

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#1 ·
OK so i have a copy of the new Codex :) go me!

Under the rules for Castellan Crowe on Pg 42, i believe there is either a mistake, grammar problem or the worst rule ever written by GW!

Basically it says that when an enemy unit charges crowe (and any unit he has joined), the ENEMY unit gains furious charge and re-rolls to hit!!

I hope I am being stupid and reading this wrong otherwise, why would anyone ever take Crowe?
 
#2 ·
From what I understand, that is NOT a typo. It is the fluff behind him having a demonblade. All the bad guys want to get their hands on it and will charge in to try and wrest it from his cold, dead hands. He does confer a few advantages, but this one is one of those characters that has both a positive and negative side to him (A bit like Kharne the Betrayer). I like the idea. No point having characters that are only good and have no bad side to them. That's boring, this is much more interesting. Like Daemonhosts or Jokaero, the random nature of their powers makes it more interesting.
 
#4 ·
It gets worse, Crowe himself is not an independent character so he cannot join a freindly unit. This means enemy rerolls will only work against Crowe even if the enemy multicharge him and a GKSS unit nearby. But then Crowe cannot grant rerolls to hit to a freindly unit using Titans Herald rule because he cannot join them.

I'll still take him because I think purifiers are fantastic but I wont expect too much from him.
 
#5 ·
It's true--charging enemies get bonuses against him and he can't join friendly units. That said, Purifiers are great, and a sword that rends on a 4+ is really better than a power weapon. I don't think I would want to play a Purifier army--I really don't like Crowe much at all--but he does have a couple of up-sides.
 
#6 ·
Rerollable saves and 4+ wounds on every model in the combat FTW! (from psychic power) Murder hordes and just laugh at everything else.
 
#7 ·
I like to think that he gives the enemy rerolls and Furious Charge to actually help them to kill him, so that his Heroic Sacrifice rule can come into play and kill (hopefully) something strong on a 3+. Paying 150 points to make Pacifiers troop choices and to sacrifice in order to extremely easily kill a 300 point Hive Tyrant or something similar doesn't seem too shabby to me. Any damage he causes before popping Heroic Sacrifice is just icing on the cake too.
 
#8 ·
I don't like the idea that you would get a character only to get it killed for the heroic sacrifice rule. However if your oponent knows about this rule you could use him as a killing machine and a way of forcing the other player too move his army an other direction. Cause your oponent would rather think twice than kill a character that has the ability to wipe a powerful character when he dies.
 
#9 ·
All the above comments are valid points, good and bad. I think he should be a smidge cheaper and it says any unit he joins and then it doesnt give him independent character, so one must be atypo?
 
#10 ·
Not necessarily. The rule that gives a bonus to a unit he joins also gives him the same bonus, so it doesn't do nothing, and it's the rule for the normal Brother Champion, who is an independent character, and can join squads. In fact, the text of that rule isn't even copied in Crowe's entry--Crowe's entry just refers you to the page for Brother Champions.

It's possible that one is a typo, but there's no real reason to think that.
 
#15 ·
I haven't got my codex with me but I think there is another reference in the Crowe rules about the enemy getting FC + Prefered enemy against him and any unit he has joined. I'm clutching at straws I know but I live in hope of a FAQ to give him IC status.
 
#12 ·
Yesterday, I used Crowe in a game against Necrons. As kind of a handicap in order to get him to play me, I didn't take any daemonhammers. That meant I couldn't hurt his monolith or force weapon his nightbringer to death.

My necron opponent didn't think it was so funny when on turn 1, I shunted 2 squads of interceptors and stormboltered his 5 heavy destroyers to death. Then next turn, he charged his Nightbringer into Crowe. Sure enough, Crowe died....but not before taking the Nightbringer with him via Heroic Sacrifice.

In short, Crowe has his uses (and necrons really need an update!). You just have to know how to use him.
 
#13 ·
And by "know how to use him" you mean "hope your enemy opts to charge a massively expensive model at him." Not all of us can count on opponents making that kind of massive and obvious play mistake.
 
#14 ·
No, I told him exactly what Crowe can do to his Nightbringer with Heroic Sacrifice. It's just that I positioned him between the NB and my troops. He wouldn't have been able to avoid Crowe unless he shot him down (he tried, but I made my Invuln against his c'tan's lascannon). It's either assault Crowe with the NB or move past him and get assaulted by Crowe on my turn. He took a gamble, hoping either I'd fail my LD or miss on my attack roll.

I don't like surprising my opponents and I tell them everything my army can do and what to watch out for if they are not familiar.
 
#16 ·
I do have my Dex on me, and it does not mention anything about him joining a unit in that rule. Since i dont think i can exact quote the codex i will parephrase.

Crowe's Blade provokes an enemy unit that assults Crowe, so much so that all models in the unit will gain FC and prefered Enemy for that assault phase.

nothing about assaulting a unit he has joined.

~Syko
 
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