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Should we welcome the Grey knight into the renegade chapters?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 51.9%
  • No

    Votes: 13 48.1%

Should we welcome our newest dark brothers?

2K views 28 replies 12 participants last post by  WyteNite 
#1 ·
Hi, my dark brethren whilst browsing the mighty deeds of the Grey Knights I have come to a conclusion. My gods we should REALLY welcome them to the hordes of chaos. Most of you are probably thinking WTF is this traitor talking about? include the Daemon hunters in our fold? Madness? Is it really, I wonder?

They apparently kill the hated sisters of battle and bathe in their blood, exterminate entire planets after "saving" them, use sorcery, xeno tech and have even summon ghosts. Come on most of the renegade chapters haven't done half of what they have done in their new codex. So, sure they battle with daemons and other traitors but hey what renegade champion hasn't done it?

So let's vote if we let them join the renegade and traitor marines chapters, I say they deserve a chance!
 
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#3 ·
jajajaja, I know! But since its GW aproved we might as well roll with :)
 
#5 ·
Yeah, but at least we could given something like a second runner up stamp or something :)

P.S. this poll is based on I rather laugh at what Matt did to their codex than complain about it, specially the Mortarion part really bothered me and the fact they are burning the galaxy (which is OUR thing). :)
 
#7 ·
hey don't look at them as rivals just the tools they are -every planet they burn breeds more hatred for the imperium and more power to us :)

"Be grateful for your enemy and enjoy his sucsess" -however i would not be inviting them over for tea and crumpets round the runic table anytime soon when all is said and done they will only stop hunting chaos when we have put our armoured boot throught the last emperer loving one of them left standing :)
 
#8 ·
Wait could they be followers of Malal...... Not sure about him but wasn´t he the chaos god warp bent on destroying the other chaos gods.

Please correct me if I´m wrong
 
#11 ·
There's only 1000 GK's in the whole galaxy, yet there's about 147 different factions within the organization? WAY too many chiefs! It seems that none of them let any others into their secret little clubs. I'm amazed they ever get anything done.
 
#12 · (Edited)
I've finally got the chance to read through their codex, and even though its fluff has to be the worst ever from GW, alot of what you're stating is out of context...

1. As far as bathing in the blood of the sisters, you need to state the whole story. The GKs killed the remaining Sisters, who weren't corrupted by the "bloodtide" yet, and mixed it with sacred oils. Then smeared the mixture upon their armor, to protect themselves from the corrupting "bloodtide". True, you can see this to be barbaric. Or you can see the "pure" sisters being marytred for the salvation of mankind.
No where in the codex, does it state the GKs "hating" the Sisters. Its one battle out of the GKs timeline.

2. Raising entire planets is nothing new. The inquisition does it too, and to some extent, the space marines. We wouldn't want the "survivors" getting any ideas about the power of chaos, now do we? We wouldn't want a "survivor" to be tricked into bringing demons into realtime, do we?

3. The term "sorcery" is rather broad. Most practices, done by loyal space marine chapters, can be considered "sorcery". The GKs were created in the ending days of the Horus Heresy, as the Emperor saw chaos as an ever-present threat. So, using "sorcery" is something one would expect to use when fighting demons.

4. Using "xeno tech" is nothing new. Many factions, within the Imperium, do this. Their treaties with other races, is rather strained, only created on the idea that chaos is an ever-present danger to all.

5. Only one GK "summons" ghosts, and that would be Lord Mordrak. The only survivor from a planetstrike done by Huron Blackheart, his deceased brothers hang around him. Sometimes he asks for their aid, and sometimes they just appear. There's nothing chaotic about this, no matter how you spin it.


They were created to defend the Imperium from the demons of chaos, so the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" idea hardly counts them as being chaotic. As being a chaos player, I know they're a hated weapon of the chaos powers, as they were created to be just that. The gods want nothing more than the GKs to be destroyed, and that's how its supposed to be.
 
#14 ·
I've finally got the chance to read through their codex, and even though its fluff has to be the worst ever from GW, alot of what you're stating is out of context...

1. As far as bathing in the blood of the sisters, you need to state the whole story. The GKs killed the remaining Sisters, who weren't corrupted by the "bloodtide" yet, and mixed it with sacred oils. Then smeared the mixture upon their armor, to protect themselves from the corrupting "bloodtide". True, you can see this to be barbaric. Or you can see the "pure" sisters being marytred for the salvation of mankind.
No where in the codex, does it state the GKs "hating" the Sisters. Its one battle out of the GKs timeline.
martyred or slaughtered subtle difference there. No matter how you put it, they came and killed them and bathed in their blood, so they mixed it with "sacred oils".... does that make it seem any less a chaos ritual not to me :) sry.

2. Raising entire planets is nothing new. The inquisition does it too, and to some extent, the space marines. We wouldn't want the "survivors" getting any ideas about the power of chaos, now do we? We wouldn't want a "survivor" to be tricked into bringing demons into realtime, do we?
Huh, yeah the inquisition does it when the corruption is so wide spread that the world is concidered unsaveable. Not to keep their secret, big difference IMHO. But thats one of the grey areas

3. The term "sorcery" is rather broad. Most practices, done by loyal space marine chapters, can be considered "sorcery". The GKs were created in the ending days of the Horus Heresy, as the Emperor saw chaos as an ever-present threat. So, using "sorcery" is something one would expect to use when fighting demons.
really, he punished Magnus for it. Doble standard? But mostly loyal SM dont use sorcery they use librarians, one is genetic the other is learned and includes complex rituals.
4. Using "xeno tech" is nothing new. Many factions, within the Imperium, do this. Their treaties with other races, is rather strained, only created on the idea that chaos is an ever-present danger to all.
Yup, agree totaly but remember this guys represent the "purest" and using xenotech is deviant. But I agree use what you can its warfare not warFAIR
5. Only one GK "summons" ghosts, and that would be Lord Mordrak. The only survivor from a planetstrike done by Huron Blackheart, his deceased brothers hang around him. Sometimes he asks for their aid, and sometimes they just appear. There's nothing chaotic about this, no matter how you spin it.
And lord chuck norris or daigo, who can be summoned from the warp? and walks it slaying anything like some champion of malal?
They were created to defend the Imperium from the demons of chaos, so the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" idea hardly counts them as being chaotic. As being a chaos player, I know they're a hated weapon of the chaos powers, as they were created to be just that. The gods want nothing more than the GKs to be destroyed, and that's how its supposed to be.
Do they really, I belive that tzentch can use them or IS using them, pawns. But really like arjuna said "the road to hell is paved in good intencions" I believe that they DONT choose to be chaos, they are just acting a LOT like it :highfive:
 
#13 ·
hehehe, yes, they massaged each others armoured bodies with blood and oils after having a joyous bloodbath on their allies...seems to me like Khorne wasn't the only good involved in this affair, that degree of ****-erotism can only be achieved by Slaanesh! ;)

And food for thought, here's a quote from somewhere: "The road to damnation is paved with good intentions" Fits like a glove! :D
 
#15 ·
Speaking as a Grey Knight Player being impartial to bias oppinions. Simply because the Grey Knights indirectly accomplish your goals, doesn't mean they are at all any part of the Chaotic hordes. They are the only chapter that has yet to lose even one of their ranks to Chaos. And as they stand in complete and utter opposition, I can't really see this happening, regardless of what you think.

It's kind of like being really left wing or really right wing. They are both completely different to the extent of actually causing harm, while in different ways, harm is harm. But they are still too different to be the same at all beyond that.
 
#16 ·
And to be quite honest, you are really splitting hairs here. It's like saying killing an army of murdering, viscious molesters is bad, because the enemies goal is to kill everything they see, and killing them is accomplishing their goal in a really round-about kind of way.

You need to kill what you and your people consider to be an atrocious act of perversion against humanity, so from their point of view, and a nuetral, reasonable stand point, they are only good, and while over the top and nasty sometimes. They do what needs to be done. Because the war of 40k is on such a large scale, what we see as a small people on a small planet as massive scaled, is to them more like wiping out a small village of people who are carrying a deadly desiese that could wipe out the entire country if not destroyed.
 
#17 ·
i just bothered to read this thread. i'm now wishing i hadn't.

not to mention the whole fluff about no grey knight ever being turned to chaos. they are kind of our nemesis for a reason, and i wouldn't have it any other way. what better way to be affirmed in your universal badassness than to have the emperor create an ultra-elite chapter of space marines dedicated to the sole cause of wiping you out. run of the mill bad guys like orks, dark eldar, and nids? that's for ultramarines.
 
#18 ·
Where is it mentioned that no grey knight has EVER turned to chaos? I mean, wasn't the whole "slaughtering our allied sisters" incident happening because they were worried they would be corrupted?

So we have a little defender of the fascist-marines in here do we? :)
 
#21 ·
He is the 1 who made their chapter # 666...
Not strictly related to this topic, but did you know that the true number of the devil/evil/etc. is 616? An early error in translation led to this mistake, but even worse, the guy who made the mistake then went about 'correcting' other people's work from 616 to 666.

As I say, not related but a bit of general knowledge (or general ignorance) for you.
 
#27 ·
Matt Ward disagrees. He says that grey knights often slaughter sisters of battle over magical swords and revel in their deaths in a very Khorne-like manner. Then again, Matt Ward says a lot of things. I really hope he doesn't do OUR next codex. I would very much like my Slaanesh marines to not have magical surfboards and be secretly Ultramarines.

A legion of someones finest troops shouldn't lose that badly against odd little furry creatures with pre-gunpowder technology that they must know lived there from beforehand...*sigh*
Ewoks, man. Stormtroopers aren't paid enough to shoot cuddly little teddybears. It is like asking a martial artist to punch a little girl. "Dude... I shot one... and his buddy tried to wake him up... I just kinda stood there... and then a wookie came out of nowhere."
 
#23 ·
Don´t get me wrong I do not like the idea of the deamonhunters being chaotic, NOT ONE BIT. It just seems like the new codex fluff has decided to present them in such and way. Maybe not intensionally but ward being the morron he is kinda does that :(. Also the omnibus does say that, but the codex does say that in order to protect themselves from the corruption they murder the SoB´s, which locally means that some did fall, they were starting to fall or it was just an A... move since they were in no peril whatsoever.

PS this thread is an attempt to laugh at the worst piece of fluff since the third star wars film (or the 6th chronologically). If you feel the need to get defensive remember, CHAOS laughs at your feeble attempts to understand our glory hahaha!!
 
#25 ·
I think he was referring to the ewoks, who were a blatant attempt to just sell a lot more merchandise, wheras jar jar binks is... oh.

p.s. did you know that ewoks were originally wookies in the first script?
Or, original books. all 12 of them, being "the tales of Mace Windu". and Luke and Leia were originally the otther way round, until george swapped them.
 
#26 ·
ah, ofc, well that makes sense. I had tried to forget their existence and just usually thing that "they won somehow" on the moon...too bad there are some of the coolest space-battles interwoven with the scenes down on the moon in return of the jedi so you can't fast forward... :(

A legion of someones finest troops shouldn't loose that badly against odd little furry creatures with pre-gunpowder technology that they must know lived there from beforehand...*sigh*
 
#28 ·
Let's be honest here, the stormtroopers could only have lost if they were outnumbered about 100 - 1, and everyone knows that. And if that armour doesn't stop a stone, then what is it for?

On that note, how come the rebels, with laser guns failed to stop them?
 
#29 ·
Because the laser guns are absolute crap. No one can hit ANYTHING with them. The armor is mostly for intimidation and deflecting lasers, but it doesn't do too very much against blunt force. ^_^

We seem to have gotten off of topic though. The topic is how Grey Knights are all chaos sorcerers waiting to happen and, according to Matt Ward, the entire group is 1 daemon weapon away from turning traitor. I would imagine that it would be the responsibility of the Ultramarines to hunt down and kill every last Grey Knight in that case. And then the Emperor would make the Ultramarines the new best space marines ever. He would also declare the Raven Guard to be stupid and silly for ignoring their spiritual liege and his wonderful codex. *nodnod*
 
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