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#1 ·
I thought I'd post this following on from Papa_Wheely's Building a Chaos War Mammoth thread.

What is the wish list from you guys for when the new book comes out?

Obviously it seems that some big beasties would be appreciated - Tomb Kings have got their arks and Necrosphinx, empire have got their tanks, and just about everything has got some sort of long range artillery.

I like the idea of mammoths and the like, I can't see chaos gods going for bows and crossbows, after all it all just delays the hand to hand savagery but big artillery I think might be a goer- I'm sure the chaos dwarves would have loads of great ideas for fooling daemons into being bound into various things- without making them look like they're made of clockwork!
 
#2 · (Edited)
Mono-Mark armies getting boosts. A few new special characters (a nurgle lord) and boosting Vilitch so that he is worth it at some point. Return of Mark of the Undivided. Boosting forsaken an ogres. Lore atributes.

The main thing for me would be getting all gods up to speed. Now Nurgle and Slaanesh are just terribad and a real Khornite army is impossible. Maybe make mark of Tzeentch not stack with parrys.
I pray we get to keep our fantastic diversity within the book.
 
#3 ·
Oh I totally agree, almost going back to the original Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness book.

It may be heresy, but I feel that the Daemons of chaos, beastmen and WoC should just amalgamate and become 'Chaos Army' again. That would really help in the cause of the mono army fan. What are lore attributes and Mark of the undevided?
 
#5 ·
1. Some sort of Khornate priest/skald that can help out with dispel attempts making an all khorne viable army gain. The priest can't cast spells but get +2 to dispel or something of that ilk.

2. This will never happen but the abilty to take deamons or beasts as rare choices.

3. We get to keep the stacking of the Tzeetch wardsave.

4. Nurgle to become a useful mark.

5. Forsaken to get chaos armour.

6. A viable deamon prince.

I think out of all the races WOC need the least amount of tweaking under the current rules and i can see more nerfs for us than getting any major buffs.
 
#7 ·
I wouldnt surprised if the marks now cost points per model, rather then an arbitary amount which makes it expensive to put on small units but an absolute bargain to put onto big ones.
Slaanesh would be great if it game always strikes first (maybe just characters) or unbreakable (stubborn at the very least)

Nurgle would be nice if you got some sort of toughness boost (to represent their extra resilliance) or maybe a permanent -1 to hit instead of just to enemy weapon skill.

Khorne will always be frenzy, though it used to come with a bit of magic resistance in the past so that might come, also it might be nice if you got some sort of strength or weapon skill boost for taking this mark to represent them being more ferocious fighters.

The tzeentch one is a bit tricky, it has often provided a ward save in the past (though there was also a time it gave bonus casting dice) but I am not sure whether the designers might consider it to be a bit too strong to be able to have the stacking to get 3+ saves on characters (or chosen). I cant see what else it could be other then some sort of magic or shooting warding and sorcerers having bonus magical powers (possibly a way of rerolling dice would be nice on characters)

I hope warriors dont get touched at all, unless GW feel generous enough to give a points reduction, since they are a very good core troop and the iconic face of chaos.

Marauders will probably lose a point of weapon skill or initiative if they are going to remain as great value as they are, but again it would be nice if they left them alone - or more importantly their weapon choices alone!

Hounds, likely will be unchanged unless they get cheaper still.

Knights are another iconic unit which I doubt will see much change, possibly a slight points tweak but they are very good value for money as they are.

Forsaken might go altogether, but if they do stay I would expect to see some sort of mutation upgrade options and possibly even making them unbreakable

Trolls - depends on what they do with the eye of the gods as to how they change.

Ogres - probably brought into line with the ogre book point cost, and given impact hits on the charge.

Chosen have always lurked around, but in the past it has been as an upgrade option to units of knights or warriors - I doubt the eye of the gods table (if it still exists) will be able to be manipulated as it is now so the 3+ wardsave guys backed by warshrines will be a thing of the past.

Dragon ogres need some nice new models and a big points reduction to bring them back into the game in a big way.

Chaos giant probably will be around somewhere, with more or less the same rules (as well as the rediculous yell and bawl, which can auto win by terrifying even a greater daemon or undead into submission) but it would be quite cool if they brought back his ability to throw himself onto a unit.

Shaggoth likely will get a bit of a points reduction to make him more viable and might even be able to lead an army once again.

Hellcannon hopefully will remain about the same price and rules as before.

Spawn could do with a bit of a points boost so they can be given some upgrade options, especially cool if it were possible to field the great spawn as found in storm of magic.

Warshrine will likely only be around next if they keep the eye of the gods table (which they should really, since it is quite a cool thing)

Then there will be the new 'big thing' kit that they like to bring out - these can be anything really, I guess if I were to try to predict I would say it is some sort of combination warshrine/ throne of chaos that characters can ride around on and wreak havoc.

The chaos dragon needs a serious trim in the points department if we are ever to see one used in regular sized battles again. The manticore also could benefit from a good cut - perhaps if it went down to 150 points and was available to heros then we would see more of them around.


Demonic gifts ought to still be around, and hopefully will be a bit more useful (an always strike first one would be especially nice) but then again they might completely remove the demon prince from the warriors book and take the gifts away. There should be some sort of thing available anyway - would be cool if it was like the early days where the chaos champions could keep getting gift after gift each round and becoming stronger and stronger but having to make a leadership test to resist each turn, with it getting progressively harder to avoid becoming a spawn.

Macig item wise, I would be very surprused if the infernal puppet stays but that is my favourite and the only one I care about - I can get by with core rulebook items otherwise.
 
#9 ·
Very true, you do not get the BSB benefit and Will of Chaos on panic, only one or the other
 
#10 ·
I think you should check guys since it is not technically a re-roll its an abilty or expolit similar to the chosen EOG roll withering banner exploit. You are reolling failed LD test not rerolling it. This is the rule we have been playing at my club and i have not had one single objection not even from other WOC players.
 
#11 ·
I too would like to see the return of the Chaos Undivided mark as well. I painted most of my army box (chaos warriors, Knights, and marauders) as undivided chaos for fluff reasons but I would love if they get something for it like in the old days.

Another dream of mine would be to have chaos warriors armed with crossbows as a special or hell even rare unit.
 
#12 ·
Both the BSB and the Will are abilities that allow you a reroll. The book says you only get one reroll. The EotG 'exploit' works because it doesn't allow duplicate gifts, so it forces infinite rerolls if necessary. It was stated in the WoC FAQ that this is a very specific exception. Neither the BSB or Will say they don't allow you to flee, so keep rolling until you don't flee. They just give your basic run of the mill reroll.

Trust me, this isn't one of those vague things that people house rule one way or the other. This is a rock hard rule. While I'd love 3 rolls on panic, it just can't happen.
 
#14 ·
I could see Chaos ranged, like the guys on the mammoths in LotR. Also, tell my skyrim character in full angry dragon plate that he can't use a massive recurve bow. He'd be mad at you.
 
#15 ·
I frankly dread the idea of a new book because we are going to lose out on so many of our items and I think we're gonna get smacked with the Nerf bat. That being said, I would love to see a monstrous Cavalry option. Something like they come stock on Demonic Mounts, but if you mark them, they get the mount specific to their god, and maybe a special ability that furthers their closeness to their god. Like Slaanesh gets ASF on the turn they charge, Khorne gets Killing Blow (in addition to Frenzy), Tzeentch gets a bound spell, and Nurgle gets Regen.

To take it to a whole new level of awesome, and to promote mono-god units and lists, if you add a character of the same mark, they get a better benefit, like always having ASF, getting Hatred on top of everything else, getting a better bound spell/bonus to cast it, and increasing the regen save/increasing toughness.

I think this would not only be a simply awesome unit that adds a lot of variety to the book, it makes sense economically as we would all love to get our hands on something like that. I don't really expect this, but I will continue to cling to my delusions...
 
#17 ·
I don't want a new book at all. That being said, there are so many WoC 'Haters' (at least from where I'm from) that I'm sure a new book will be applauded. At least until I figure out how to make it all come together. Those that hate Chaos will complain about the high T good armor etc etc no matter what else is taken from us. Also, at least among my crowd, any new stuff that may come our way will be looked at as just another chaos crusher and noone will notice or care that most of the really cool s**t has been taken away. I love this book as is and wish they'd simply give us some new/re-done models but that's pointless wishing on my part....
Just have to wait and see, I guess.
 
#19 · (Edited)
......and in no particular order........

1] Fix Forsaken. All they need is +1 str or some other stat boost. Maybe even a Vanguard move or Scout maybe. Just something to make them worth it and interesting.

2] Sort out Ogres. Give them gut charge or what ever it's called.

3] Some blasted plastic halberds

4] A New Chariot/Shrine and a New unit of Dragon Ogres.

5] Sort out the EOTGs table. Make it less open to abuse, simplify it or just ditch it entirely and give chosen a 'boosted' Mark depending on their god (ASF for Slaanesh, Hatred +Frenzy for Khorne etc...)

6] Sort out the Marks and give benefits for Mono God lists. Maybe even bring the old Mark-Hatred back where a character couldn't join a unit with a different Mark. Bring back Undivided too. Maybe give Undivided characters a Leadership boost over Mono-God lists or the ability to take Items from any god (Other, marked characters, are limited to their mark.)

7] Something I've always wished for but will never get. Marauder type Heroes. Skalds, Chieftains/Jarls/Thanes and Marauder Chariots.

8] Furies. I have ten of them. Please bring them back.

9] Fix bloody Daemon Princes. Such a cool character but such bum rules. SORT THEM OUT!!!!

10] Dogs. I can feel dogs going back to their old statline........... I can just 'feel' it happening. WS4, Str4, T4, Init4 & 2A.
 
#20 ·
What I would Love:

1) Troll Command
2) Better Forsaken, make them core and not so bad
3) A really big nasty monster that isn't a mammoth
4) Plastic Chariot/Warshrine kits that are super bad-ass.
5) A useful mark of Nurgle.
6) Better Demon princes.
7) better gifts of chaos, more variety at the <25pts level for heroes and better gifts at >25pts for lords.
 
#21 ·
I absolutely detest the possibility of giving our army shooting...were an army that relies on combat to win games, it's the WoC style and should remain that way IMO.

I'm all for fixing the marks, there's seems like a lot of possible potential for them, why not get more creative and make all the marks viable rather than just MoK and MoT?
For example as already mentioned giving a unit that has MoN an added defensive bonus, seeing as it's pretty expensive, or perhaps giving MoK additional dispel bonuses to make mono khorne lists a more viable option in competitive play...there's so many things GW could do to make WoC even more versatile in a fair manner and I hope they take advantage of it.

...and for the love of god replace metal with resin/plastic! :)
 
#22 ·
Marks......

Nurgle I'd like to see a 6+ Regen save which might be boosted with the addition of Characters or maybe just a stock 6+ Regen and a 5+ for Chosen? Although it does make shields pointless.......still. Like to have Fear back for Nurgle troops and maybe +1W for the Characters.

Slaanesh would be nice to have ASF but ASF on Warriors would be disgustingly broken. Maybe limit it to Chosen? Or maybe just give them +1 Init? Who knows with Slaanesh........ everything seems broken lol.

Khorne, Give them Hatred rather than Frenzy so it brings them in line with the Daemons. Then give them an option for Frenzy. Maybe keep the banner of rage and make the Chosen Frenzied with Hatred.

Tzeentch. Not sure about this one. Last Ed it was +1PD, this ED it's a Ward boost... Hmmm. Maybe give the unit a magic level like Daemons? Or a Bound spell? Count their attacks as Magical?

Undivided....... Erm...




There just needs to be a real reason to take Chosen over Warriors other than the Abuse of EOTGs.
 
#25 ·
If any ranged attacks, it should only be a marauder axe thrower thing or something which they can do while charging. That would be awesome. Not to mention the ability to ally with chaos dwarfs for artillery etc.
 
#27 ·
Hm, in my wishlist there are only few points:
- signature spells
- fixed lances for Knights
- some magic defence for Khorne
- balance point value for different marks

other than that, somehow I feel that I will stick to this book as long as guys in my city will agree to play against me. Just remembering list of all authors who are writing books and their works, plus next book will not be written by Phil Kelly... I'm afraid that we will get daemons+chaos armour army.
 
#28 ·
demon mounts upgrades for knights, so you can field brass riders and rot knights

another chaos dwarf unit maybe chaos rune master that can buff and debuff troops.

maybe upgrade on the giant that makes him a rock golem. (huge amount of chaos energy bring even the earth to life to do the bidding of the gods)

manticore riders fast attacking CC troop

I know people wont like this one but it's real life fuffy,
marauder horsemen with short bows and quickfire rule.
 
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